mmmm 2009 camaro

[Savage_Messiah]

Who else saw the leaked pics??? I have my thoughts on it but overall I like, hoping they go in certain directions with the possibilites that were shown.

[Jersey_TA]

Who else saw the leaked pics??? I have my thoughts on it but overall I like, hoping they go in certain directions with the possibilites that were shown.

What pics?

[camaro2you]

:stupid:

[LS1Hawk]

I saw them. I think it's a great concept overall (however, it might still be early to say anything). The rear end is very 1st gen, but I like how they made the front look more modern than retro. The good thing about it, the minute you see the pictures you recognize it as a Camaro. You don't have to try to convince yourself that it is one. I would have liked it if they made it as an SS concept, and picked different color than silver (I hate silver). Very exciting, and I hope GM follows the design they're going with. Hopefully this is an indication of some real cool cars to come from GM in the future. Just wish they could do something like that with the GTO!

[qwikz28]

ttiwwp

[JL8Jeff]

It definitely needs some more refining but the good news is that they came up with a concept. As long as there is a strong response then they will proceed.

[79CamaroDiva]

We cannot post the pics again. GM has their panties in a wad because of the leaked pics and is apparently hunting down any message board that has them up... or something to that effect. I do believe there could possibly be a certain administrator with a number in his screen name that you might be able to email and he could possibly be able to send you some pics of something that would be of interest to you.

[Tru2Chevy]

We cannot post the pics again. GM has their panties in a wad because of the leaked pics and is apparently hunting down any message board that has them up... or something to that effect. I do believe there could possibly be a certain administrator with a number in his screen name that you might be able to email and he could possibly be able to send you some pics of something that would be of interest to you.

Really? I heard about that too....

- Justin (administrator with a number in his screen name)

[slasherbarb]

so send them pics justin ;-)

[PA SS]

If it's even close to what I saw, one will be in my garage!

[BigAls87Z28]

Actualy, you can put up the pictures. GM realizes that the damage is done, and there is nothing they can do. They are searching for the leak.

[Tru2Chevy]

Actualy, you can put up the pictures. GM realizes that the damage is done, and there is nothing they can do. They are searching for the leak.

Link to explanation?

- Justin (covering his butt)

[BigAls87Z28]

They are on CZ28, and Scott S has given personal permission and even have supplied un-watermakred pictures from what I understand. They are in the CZ28 lounge for anyone to look at. Close ups of the undercarage, both front and rear, as well as several angles of teh exterior and a 2nd pic of the interior.

[Tru2Chevy]

They just put it up on their front page too.....

- Justin

[qwikz28]

i dont really like it. i like alot of the other designs better to be honest. :( needless to say i would still sell my mine for one of those in a hearbeat

[Tru2Chevy]

i dont really like it. i like alot of the other designs better to be honest. :( needless to say i would still sell my mine for one of those in a hearbeat

Scott says not to worry. The car in those pics is not exactly what you will see in Detroit. Many small revisions have been made, and there is a huge thread on cZ28 giving feedback on what they saw.

- Justin

[ar0ck]

Al, werent you telling me last night those pictures are at least 2 years old.

I think its hideous, I liked the hot-wheels car better :-(

[Firebird67dude]

Is that dual exhaust into one cat then dual again but exits on the opposite side it came from? And i like the I.R.S. on it. If that wat Chevy has for the Camaro.......CANT wait to see wat PONTIAC can do.

[Untamed]

That picture looks like a chop. Look at the nose and roofline.

[IROCZman15]

yea, i like what i saw a lot

maybe not so much the skinny pointy mirros, or a few other things, but some stuff like the true dual exhaust , front nose and everyhtign was really awesome... i'd get one

[Savage_Messiah]

Is that dual exhaust into one cat then dual again but exits on the opposite side it came from? And i like the I.R.S. on it. If that wat Chevy has for the Camaro.......CANT wait to see wat PONTIAC can do.

Not a firebird or t/a if that's what youre asking. That line is dead.

I think the reason it looks like a chop is for cmparison purposes... maybe in GM "ok do we want this front end or this?" personally i prefer the passenger side.... i like it. the interior preliminary drawings, mirrors, and high, vette-ish rear I don't like as of now but will reserve my judgement for the entire car for the auto show.

[qwikz28]

That picture looks like a chop. Look at the nose and roofline.
it is a chop. its not an actual car

[qwikz28]

Not a firebird or t/a if that's what youre asking. That line is dead.

I think the reason it looks like a chop is for cmparison purposes... maybe in GM "ok do we want this front end or this?" personally i prefer the passenger side.... i like it. the interior preliminary drawings, mirrors, and high, vette-ish rear I don't like as of now but will reserve my judgement for the entire car for the auto show.
but the gto will carry the same internals supposedly. ghey but that what i heard on ls1tech somewhere. no more holden i guess

[BigAls87Z28]

First off, the pictures are of 2 different cars, one a little different then the other. when they do clay designs, they only do half clay and put it next to a mirror. The other side is just another version of the same car. It is in fact pictures from inside GM, but this is NOT the car that will be at Detroit. This car is anywhere from a year to 2 years old. There was a recent 11th hour redesign of the front end and several other items such as the tail lights, and other trim. What we will see is a car that looks like this, but tweeked with a more "modern" front end.

And yes, we got a Sigma-Lite chassis. Pictures show that the whole rear suspension cradle is exactly the same as Sigma, so that part of the engineering is already done. Front end also looks heavily based on Sigma. This is very good and will help speed up production.

[Koll]

Meh. Im kinda getting tired of this Retro thing
1st gen looked nothing like 2nd
2nd looked nothing like 3rd
3rd looked nothing like 4th.

Go with a new body style.
...............
something thirdgen-ish :)

[Brando56894]

i like everything, except for the rims. also i refuse to belive that the firebird is dead! long live the bird! :D

[BigAls87Z28]

IMO, thoes are the best looking rims Chevy has put on the Camaro since the ZR1. Right now, Dodge is dominating the wheel design.
I wonder if it will share the bolt patter with the Vette or with the CTS or even the CTS-V??

[Brando56894]

thos rims look too pointy and i think are way too shiny...

taken from camaroz28:


Re: Are we going to get a T/A or Formula?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gripenfelter
Didn't Lutz say "we're working on it" the last time someone asked him about the Firebird?

Thats what I heard too..

once again i refuse to believe its dead...

DITCH THE GTO! BRING BACK THE FIREBIRD!

also why would/did they decide on only bringing back just the 'maro? i would think TAs would sell better then SS's, theyre sexier...

[BigAls87Z28]

TA's sold about half of what SS's did. And if you want to get real crazy with it, GTO sold more this year then the SS and TA models did in 2002.

[jims69camaro]

also why would/did they decide on only bringing back just the 'maro? i would think TAs would sell better then SS's, theyre sexier...

it's a shame more people don't share your opinion, or you just might have a firebird/formula/TA in the mix. funny thing is, sales didn't reflect them being sexier.

every f-body forum is talking about this to some degree. cz28 and gmi are the more heavily trafficked sites with the loudest (and less intelligible) mouths. sure, you're not going to please everyone, but if anyone says it's "ghey" or "it looks like ass", i'll request that justin drops the axe.

the thing is, criticism* is a great thing, but you should be cognizant of the number of people who worked on this and how long it took them. you certainly wouldn't want someone to walk in off the street to where you work and tell you that your work is "ghey" or "it looks like ass".

just saying you don't like it doesn't cover it, either. while i am sure we will not be the forefront of opinion, know that "the powers that be" get around to the different f-body forums to gauge interest. if they stop here, i wouldn't want them seeing those type of insults or the "i don't like it" without an explanation. tell why you don't like it. tell what you would do instead of whatever it is that rubs you the wrong way. in other words, try to be constructive.

* criticism n.
1. The act of criticizing, especially adversely.
2. A critical comment or judgment.
3. a. The practice of analyzing, classifying, interpreting, or evaluating literary or other artistic works.
......b. A critical article or essay; a critique.
......c. The investigation of the origin and history of literary documents; textual criticism.

[/soapbox]

[12secondv6]

Um, i missed the pics....

[Brando56894]

TA's sold about half of what SS's did.

thats suprising, but sad...

@james

a certain administrator with a number in his name and a certain fidget have the pics :D

[BigAls87Z28]

I have pics too...let me host them. They are the LS1Tec pics

[ar0ck]

wow, look how restrictive the exhaust looks at the cat! At least its partially a true duel system...

I like the interior drawings, I like the CADS design, but I'm not really liking the over-all concept look of it. Guess we will have to wait till next month; right Al?


Yeah...

[Batman]

thos rims look too pointy and i think are way too shiny...

taken from camaroz28:



once again i refuse to believe its dead...

DITCH THE GTO! BRING BACK THE FIREBIRD!

also why would/did they decide on only bringing back just the 'maro? i would think TAs would sell better then SS's, theyre sexier...


Other problem was a T/A cost quite a bit more then the SS. A firehawk in 02 could run you $38,000 and you could snatch up an SS for $5-$7K Less. However collectability wise if you socred one of the Hawks I think they made something like 1100 Firehawks (correct me if I am wrong but I don't have time to look it up) and 10,000+ SS's

[Tru2Chevy]

it's a shame more people don't share your opinion, or you just might have a firebird/formula/TA in the mix. funny thing is, sales didn't reflect them being sexier.

every f-body forum is talking about this to some degree. cz28 and gmi are the more heavily trafficked sites with the loudest (and less intelligible) mouths. sure, you're not going to please everyone, but if anyone says it's "ghey" or "it looks like ass", i'll request that justin drops the axe.

the thing is, criticism* is a great thing, but you should be cognizant of the number of people who worked on this and how long it took them. you certainly wouldn't want someone to walk in off the street to where you work and tell you that your work is "ghey" or "it looks like ass".

just saying you don't like it doesn't cover it, either. while i am sure we will not be the forefront of opinion, know that "the powers that be" get around to the different f-body forums to gauge interest. if they stop here, i wouldn't want them seeing those type of insults or the "i don't like it" without an explanation. tell why you don't like it. tell what you would do instead of whatever it is that rubs you the wrong way. in other words, try to be constructive.

* criticism n.
1. The act of criticizing, especially adversely.
2. A critical comment or judgment.
3. a. The practice of analyzing, classifying, interpreting, or evaluating literary or other artistic works.
......b. A critical article or essay; a critique.
......c. The investigation of the origin and history of literary documents; textual criticism.

[/soapbox]

Exactly....Scott said that himself on CamaroZ28.com. If you don't like what you see, feel free to say so. But don't forget to say why you don't like it, and put forth your idea(s) of how to make it better. And do it in a respectful manner.

- Justin

[12secondv6]

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