Kooks released true dual exhaust with x pipe for F-Body [Archive] - NJFBOA - Home of New Jersey's Camaros and Firebirds

DaSkinnyGuy

10-20-2010, 08:43 PM

Of course this is very expensive,if you have the money its well worth it.

Kooks has done it again! Utilizing the finest air craft quality 304 grade stainless steel, Kooks has released their 3” True Dual Exhaust System for the 1998-2002 Chevy Camaro and Pontiac Firebirds. The system is completely 3” and breathes through an X-Pipe, Kooks Racing Polished Mufflers and Four- 4 Inch Polished Slash Cut Tips. This new Dual System is capable of handling over 1200 horsepower and when paired with Kooks Long-Tube Headers it is sure to be the best bolt-on you do, on your 4th generation F-Body! The dual exhaust comes either with high flow race cats or with off-road front pipes. The system is designed to clamp on the end of Kooks Long-tube headers. A BMR Driveshaft Safety Loop Part#DSL001 and a BMR Panhard Rod Relocation Kit Part# PHR004 are required when installing this system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLRTLdyzfxs&feature=player_embedded

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-external-engine/1341430-kooks-released-new-exhaust-f-body.html

BonzoHansen

10-20-2010, 08:55 PM

I wonder how many people with more money than brains will buy that for cars that just don't need it. Straight 3" duals are for pretty big HP.

This is a key clause too:
A BMR Driveshaft Safety Loop Part#DSL001 and a BMR Panhard Rod Relocation Kit Part# PHR004 are required when installing this system.

qwikz28

10-20-2010, 08:56 PM

I'm gonna have to go out on a limb and say that is a pretty crummy deal. You can get custom true duals made: 1. the way you want, 2. with the parts and size you want, and 3. with whatever headers and DS loop you want for much less. It's a great piece, I think its great they made it, but I would take a custom system over this one.

I'd also like to see dyno benefit to the methods they used. X-pipes, 3", flattened tubing by header, etc..

edit: with all the big cube motors running around, 3" isn't that overkill I'd say. For my lowly 346, I'll get a 2.5"

Blackbirdws6

10-20-2010, 09:04 PM

Way too pricey for what it is. It is something they can capitalize on for those that have the coin since no one else offers a kit like it without going custom fabbed.

thunder

10-20-2010, 09:24 PM

ya most cars dont need 3'' duals but hey if uve got the coin go for it

qwikz28

10-20-2010, 09:53 PM

DaSkinnyGuy

10-20-2010, 09:57 PM

I've been contemplating going true duals for a while now, but I still don't see the need to go above the axle. Going under the axle doesn't cost any ground clearance, since you will be lower right by the header anyway, and on speed bumps, the tire lefts the car anyway.

exception when backing down a driveway with a hill.

Stainless steel catbacks for the 2010 + camaro range from $1,000-$1,500 so whats the difference.

BonzoHansen

10-20-2010, 10:26 PM

Going under the axle doesn't cost any ground clearanceI'll go ahead and disagree with that.

Stainless steel catbacks for the 2010 + camaro range from $1,000-$1,500 so whats the difference.I paid a lot less for SS dual system from pypes for my 2nd gen (maybe I'll put it in this year lol). But I don't think the price is terrible, until you add the other parts you need in too. I might think a quality 3" cat back is roughly half that. No? Again even 95% of 'modded' 4th gens have no need for 3" dual pipes. For those 5% their wallet is already open so it is inconsequential.

10-21-2010, 05:20 PM

not bad.

As a comparison, heres the Magnaflow catback setup for my V, 2.5" stainless steel, with x pipe crossover, dual polished mufflers and large 4" rolled wall tips.
This retails for around $850. (I didnt pay near that for it new though)

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d50/SmokingSS/CTS-V/0416102259-00.jpg

BonzoHansen

10-21-2010, 07:22 PM

Pypes, all stainless, $530 shipped. 2.5" pipe and 'optional tips'
http://www.pypesexhaust.com/images/sgf70.gif

Kat

10-21-2010, 07:23 PM

not bad.

As a comparison, heres the Magnaflow catback setup for my V, 2.5" stainless steel, with x pipe crossover, dual polished mufflers and large 4" rolled wall tips.
This retails for around $850. (I didnt pay near that for it new though)

And your exhaust for the V is a lot easier to make, with a lot less welds, bends and material in general. They are basically paying for a mass produced custom exhaust for their car.

BonzoHansen

10-21-2010, 07:31 PM

and less bends are good!

maroman88

10-21-2010, 07:49 PM

i miss my black TA now

alamantia

10-21-2010, 07:59 PM

I have kooks headers and love them but I dissagree with the kooks location of the mufflers and ugly tips. Texas Speed has the same thing but with dynomax bullets in the middle. If you have a few feet of pipe after the muffler the sound seems better.

BonzoHansen

10-21-2010, 08:10 PM

that is because tail pipes matter with sound. that is a big reason fart cans sound like that

BigAls87Z28

10-22-2010, 04:47 PM

5th gen stuff is expensive now but in area years it will drop. I remember when LS1 headers were no less then a grand and cat backs were just about the same.

sweetbmxrider

10-22-2010, 10:26 PM

um, gtfo

qwikz28

10-24-2010, 08:58 AM

I'll go ahead and disagree with that.

Sorry to bump a thread that seems to be dying, but can you elaborate on that? Cause I plan on making a system like that next year and would like to know if it won't work that way. As far as I know, Toyota does it on their Camrys

BonzoHansen

10-24-2010, 10:07 AM

Sorry to bump a thread that seems to be dying, but can you elaborate on that? Cause I plan on making a system like that next year and would like to know if it won't work that way. As far as I know, Toyota does it on their Camrys

Are there a lot of live axle RWD Camrys with panhard rod setups running 3" pipes? I missed those. Let's not cloud the question with apples to oranges discussion.

I've had enough ground clearance issues in my life to have a decent idea of what works and what doesn't. And running pipes that should be solidly fixed to the chassis under a moving suspension part with lots of travel does not appeal to me.

I don't think you aren't going fast enough to need what I believe you are considering. There are plenty of systems out there that will handle your needs. Don't get let in hype and lure sway your decision, and don't reinvent the wheel.

JL8Jeff

10-24-2010, 12:22 PM

The extra weight of a true 3" dual exhaust is one downside. The fitment issues are another. Especially when you can run a 3-1/2 or 4" single setup that will flow plenty for most applications. It seems like it's the lure of a true dual exhaust setup that sucks most people in.

qwikz28

10-24-2010, 03:35 PM

Are there a lot of live axle RWD Camrys with panhard rod setups running 3" pipes? I missed those. Let's not cloud the question with apples to oranges discussion.

I've had enough ground clearance issues in my life to have a decent idea of what works and what doesn't. And running pipes that should be solidly fixed to the chassis under a moving suspension part with lots of travel does not appeal to me.

I don't think you aren't going fast enough to need what I believe you are considering. There are plenty of systems out there that will handle your needs. Don't get let in hype and lure sway your decision, and don't reinvent the wheel.

The camry has a pipe that runs pretty low in around the same spot, so it really isn't such a bad comparison. My concern isn't the axle, my concern is the pipe being that low. I suppose this isn't the place to further inquire the issue, so I'll just ask my question elsewhere.

The extra weight of a true 3" dual exhaust is one downside. The fitment issues are another. Especially when you can run a 3-1/2 or 4" single setup that will flow plenty for most applications. It seems like it's the lure of a true dual exhaust setup that sucks most people in.
It's the sound really. The sound is far more throaty, and that is what I want to try. I just figure if I'm spending the money for a new exhaust, I want to get something I can use for future engine builds as well.

WildBillyT

10-24-2010, 03:47 PM

The camry has a pipe that runs pretty low in around the same spot, so it really isn't such a bad comparison. My concern isn't the axle, my concern is the pipe being that low. I suppose this isn't the place to further inquire the issue, so I'll just ask my question elsewhere.

It's the sound really. The sound is far more throaty, and that is what I want to try. I just figure if I'm spending the money for a new exhaust, I want to get something I can use for future engine builds as well.

I've actually noticed that pipe, I think it's on more than camrys. Looks like an 11th hour engineering fix.

I would not route any pipes under the axle, and actually haven't seen anyone who has. Most do either dumps before or go over the axle.

Anti_Rice_Guy

10-24-2010, 04:10 PM

Slaptastic has custom 3" true duals on his M6 car (233/239 cam, lid, headers, no cats, no mufflers) and he loves it. Yeah he's losing a bit of power down low but it sounds downright nasty, yet is surprisingly quiet inside when I drove it. It still made well over 400rwhp at the wheels. If you have the money and like the sound, why not?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf3ARYLCAaM

Even if you just listen for the first 45 seconds it gives a good idea of the sound over the full rpm range.

Or here in a loudest exhaust competition.

http://www.youtube.com/user/slaptastic48#p/u/3/tQXYHPz5Cto

B4C

10-27-2010, 12:10 AM

I've been contemplating going true duals for a while now, but I still don't see the need to go above the axle. Going under the axle doesn't cost any ground clearance, since you will be lower right by the header anyway, and on speed bumps, the tire lefts the car anyway.

Im going to agree with everyone else and say that this is a dumb idea.:nod:
1. Your ground clerance is oging to suck
2. when the suspension unloads going over a bump or something the axle is going to smack your exahust.

qwikz28

10-27-2010, 12:27 AM

Im going to agree with everyone else and say that this is a dumb idea.:nod:
1. Your ground clerance is oging to suck
2. when the suspension unloads going over a bump or something the axle is going to smack your exahust.

1. Oh well. I don't daily drive it or off-road it.
2. I'm obviously going to take that into account when I have it fabbed.

It's been done before by other people without issue. I'm going to give it a whirl when the time comes anyway. I'm curious to know facts why its bad idea, and unless someone can bring up a worthy objection besides "its dumb" or a general "trust me" it will happen. Worst comes to worst, I bottom it out a few times, take it off, and reinstall my SLP catback.

WildBillyT

10-27-2010, 09:44 AM

1. Oh well. I don't daily drive it or off-road it.
2. I'm obviously going to take that into account when I have it fabbed.

It's been done before by other people without issue. I'm going to give it a whirl when the time comes anyway. I'm curious to know facts why its bad idea, and unless someone can bring up a worthy objection besides "its dumb" or a general "trust me" it will happen. Worst comes to worst, I bottom it out a few times, take it off, and reinstall my SLP catback.

I'm sure hot rod/rat rod guys do it all the time, but they are not using 4th gen Camaros. Here are my thoughts:

- Unnecessary loss of ground clearance. You can hit/drag anything you can't swerve around
- You will have to hang them low enough to handle suspension travel on the road.
- You will have to hang them low enough so that the axle can droop enough to get a tire off if you get a flat.

If you are going to try and do this on the cheap, why not just dump before the axle?

LTb1ow

10-27-2010, 09:46 AM

I'm sure hot rod/rat rod guys do it all the time, but they are not using 4th gen Camaros. Here are my thoughts:

- Unnecessary loss of ground clearance. You can hit/drag anything you can't swerve around
- You will have to hang them low enough to handle suspension travel on the road.
- You will have to hang them low enough so that the axle can droop enough to get a tire off if you get a flat.

If you are going to try and do this on the cheap, why not just dump before the axle?

Yea, if you do it right and over the axle.. great, but its gonna be a heavy SOB. If you do dumps, its gonna be loud but you won't lose much ground clearance, my X pipe tucked up better than my current catback. Also, most X pipes will not allow for the use of a chassis mount torque arm, food for thought.

I loved my X pipe, it just got old after a warning from the state troopers and lots of nights trying to sneak home at 2am...

sweetbmxrider

10-27-2010, 11:31 AM

http://xhausted.com/

hmmmm......

LTb1ow

10-27-2010, 11:46 AM

Na na, they don' know anything

WildBillyT

10-27-2010, 11:47 AM

http://xhausted.com/

hmmmm......

Well, at least now I can say I've seen it done.

qwikz28

10-27-2010, 11:54 AM

I'm sure hot rod/rat rod guys do it all the time, but they are not using 4th gen Camaros. Here are my thoughts:

- Unnecessary loss of ground clearance. You can hit/drag anything you can't swerve around
- You will have to hang them low enough to handle suspension travel on the road.
- You will have to hang them low enough so that the axle can droop enough to get a tire off if you get a flat.

If you are going to try and do this on the cheap, why not just dump before the axle?

I'm pretty sure I want a full length for noise reasons.

Even with teh suspension completely unloaded, the pipe should be able to go below the axle and still not be the lowest point. It's not so much a matter of cheap as it is a matter of the straightest path.

WildBillyT

10-27-2010, 12:04 PM

I'm pretty sure I want a full length for noise reasons.

Even with teh suspension completely unloaded, the pipe should be able to go below the axle and still not be the lowest point. It's not so much a matter of cheap as it is a matter of the straightest path.

I am not saying you are going to have the exhaust scraping all of the time, I'm saying that that loss of ground clearance could be an issue when you have to straddle something on the road.

sweetbmxrider

10-27-2010, 12:21 PM

yeah you will definitely see issues with the pipes leading into and coming out from under the axle. its your car and you seem dead set on it, i guess attack the issues as they come along.

Frosty

10-27-2010, 02:00 PM

Unless you're making major power there is absolutely no reason to go with duals unless it's just for sound. To each their own but IMO you're created a bunch of potential issues with a complicated setup when something a lot more simple works.

To each their own, good luck :)

qwikz28

10-27-2010, 03:35 PM

Keep in mind, this was an idea I had. I'll likely get it done early next year, but its just an idea. I simply don't understand why everyone is so wary of this? Many people have done it, and even if you do go under the axle, it still won't be the lowest point. And even if it does snag something, or scrape, it is just an exhaust. My y-pipe looks like hell and it only has about 12k miles on it. It's a part of driving a lowered car.

The condescending responses just makes me want to do this more. I'm not a guru, but my idea is obviously legitimate, but just because you haven't seen it before, or you would do it differently doesn't make it a dumb idea. Let's be open minded people :)

Frosty

10-27-2010, 03:53 PM

I'm certainly not being condescending, just throwing in an opinion. I thought about doing the same thing on my '00 z28 but the aggravation wasn't worth it.

qwikz28

10-27-2010, 03:55 PM

I'm certainly not being condescending, just throwing in an opinion. I thought about doing the same thing on my '00 z28 but the aggravation wasn't worth it.

Not you Tony, I understood what you were getting at. A few responses though may have came off wrong, regardless of how they were intended. No harm no foul though :)

LTb1ow

10-27-2010, 04:03 PM

qwikz28

10-27-2010, 04:36 PM

You have had it easy so far..
http://www.njfboa.org/forums/showthread.php?t=44594&highlight=pipe

Apparently if it ain't what the internet says is the right way, its wrong.

That being said, choose your mufflers wisely a nice deep mellow tone is much better than race car sound. :lol:

Hah! That makes me feel a lot better.

I would likely do cats - x pipe - Hooker maxflows - dynomax canister mufflers - rear exit

I love a quiet car, but this setup should make the car SCREAM at WOT. I also plan on eventually going a higher compression heads/cam setup next summer (if I get a job!) so the extra flow and sound muffling is necessary.

http://www.titantalk.com/forums/titan-performance-modifications/96186-flow-chart-few-mufflers.html
for reference

LTb1ow

10-27-2010, 04:49 PM

Yea, lucky you.. :roll:

I am pretty sure TSP and LPP market X pipes for LS1 cars, they are dumped before the axle though. I would find a good welding shop and ask them what the recommend, they may not want a kit and prefer starting from scratch.

qwikz28

10-27-2010, 05:13 PM

Oh don't worry, that's the whole idea of forums. People trying to pass their opinions off as truth. Personal criticisms are never warranted, but its nice to know everyone is discriminated against equally.

Yeah I think thats the plan. My buddy had exhaust work at a shop in Baltimore that did fantastic work. Not sure I will go that far, but I'd like a system made from scratch as well. What did you end up doing?

LTb1ow

10-27-2010, 05:17 PM

Got an x pipe with sweet thunders dumped before the axle for free, installed it for free, and it was too loud in the end. :lol: prob shoulda experimented with new mufflers but traded the whole deal for an electric cutout.

It sounded amazing, and I could prob use it now

Grifter

10-27-2010, 05:34 PM

It is no doubt a nice system but still too much money for most people. I commented on this same thread on LS1Tech and mentioned the same thing. I knew someone that bought a Mugen catback for his Integra for something like $900. It's all relative and most people are going to buy it just to say they have it.

I still have yet to see an exhaust that I'd trade my custom Mufflex for.

qwikz28

10-27-2010, 06:32 PM

BonzoHansen

10-27-2010, 06:52 PM

the pipe should be able to go below the axle and still not be the lowest point. What is lower than that?

LTb1ow

10-27-2010, 08:36 PM

The tire.

JL8Jeff

10-27-2010, 09:42 PM

Why not go over axle if you really want dual exhaust? This is a system built with the Sweet Thunder chambered pipes.

http://www.sweet-thunder.com/images/testimonials/13.jpg

Bassani makes a 2-1/2" dual exhaust where both pipes go down the passenger side. That probably weighs less and still makes plenty of power.

qwikz28

10-28-2010, 12:14 AM

What is lower than that?

The t-tops.

You can tell by the pics: http://xhausted.com/

And some of the research I had done: http://www.ls1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1647266&postcount=230

Why not go over axle if you really want dual exhaust? This is a system built with the Sweet Thunder chambered pipes.

[]http://www.sweet-thunder.com/images/testimonials/13.jpg[/]

Bassani makes a 2-1/2" dual exhaust where both pipes go down the passenger side. That probably weighs less and still makes plenty of power.

Over the axle, too many unnecessary bends. Besides, its been done before. Let's try something new. I'm well aware this is risky and is an experiment. It's all in the name of science.

LTb1ow

10-28-2010, 12:16 AM

yea but its a hack and wrong.

WildBillyT

10-28-2010, 12:20 AM

The t-tops.

You can tell by the pics: http://xhausted.com/

And some of the research I had done: http://www.ls1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1647266&postcount=230

I'm well aware this is risky and is an experiment. It's all in the name of science.

When it's done please post up. Just please do a better job than the pics in these links. No crush bent tubing, and fit the pipes well. :mrgreen:

qwikz28

10-28-2010, 12:20 AM

yea but its a hack and wrong.

Obligatory baseless opinion post. Wasn't expecting it from you.

I think that concludes what little constructive conversation that was happening in this thread. When I try it, I'll report back and see if you guys were right.

qwikz28

10-28-2010, 12:21 AM

When it's done please post up. Just please do a better job than the pics in these links. No crush bent tubing, and fit the pipes well. :mrgreen:

I wouldn't do it any other way on my car.

LTb1ow

10-28-2010, 12:22 AM

Sarsasm is lost when you are drunk. :lol:

JL8Jeff

10-28-2010, 08:20 AM

JSPERFORMANCE

10-28-2010, 09:49 AM

We just made over 600 hp at the rear wheels with an LT1 with Stainless Works long tubes, 2.5" y pipe, and Borla 3" cat back on it. I dont see the need for the extra agg of running two pipes out the back if you dont have to.

Frosty

10-28-2010, 10:26 AM

That's only a 2.5'' y-pipe on that car?

LTb1ow

10-28-2010, 11:29 AM

And while its nice that you can make X amount of power through a stock style exhaust, whats to say you are leaving Y amount of power on the table for doing so?

sweetbmxrider

10-28-2010, 11:33 AM

dyno it dumped headers tuned accordingly and then with catback tuned accordingly. note power difference.

qwikz28

10-28-2010, 02:19 PM

Are you going to try running the oval tubing under the axle then? That would make the most sense to hope to have decent clearance. Also, what will you do when you need to put the car on a lift and let the suspension droop? won't that end up hitting the exhaust and pulling it away from the body?

Based on the roads here in NJ and especially the parking lots and curbs, I know those under axle systems would be bouncing off a lot of stuff around here. I Used to hit the curb with the extra capacity trans pan going into a parking lot around the corner from work here.

Jeff! Stop hitting curbs with your fbodies! We know they can tow, but you don't need to offroad with them too :)

Here is one, mine won't have that dreadful pinch bend:

http://i1.tinypic.com/mj75zb.jpg

flange to disconnect in case rear needs to come off, plenty of slack in case suspension becomes completely unloaded and plenty of ground clearance in case I have to hop a curb.

it won't be any lower than where the cat will be:

http://www.fquick.com/images/vehicles/full/2033304612.jpg

sweetbmxrider

10-28-2010, 02:26 PM

if the body goes up and the suspension goes down (aka full travel) then those pipes will smash into the sway bar. it will be even worse with a lowered car since you are trying to tuck it up to the body on a suspension setup that is sitting closer to the body.

i'm just seeing too much negative for it to be outweighed by any positive. i say you dump at the rear axle and run fake tips. no bends to rob power, good clearance, and tips! :lol:

qwikz28

10-28-2010, 03:25 PM

if the body goes up and the suspension goes down (aka full travel) then those pipes will smash into the sway bar.

Wouldn't it be easy to replicate this scenario by mocking the exhaust up with the car lifted from the body? Crisis averted!

Trust me, I'm not concerned about our cars' one inch of rear suspension travel.

sweetbmxrider

10-28-2010, 06:32 PM

JSPERFORMANCE

10-28-2010, 07:01 PM

dyno it dumped headers tuned accordingly and then with catback tuned accordingly. note power difference.

Its 385 ci on pump gas and 11/12 lb of boost.. How much power do YOU think it should have made? 1.85 hp/ci isnt too bad in my opinion especially when you factor in the limitations of the 92 Octane fuel. If the exhaust was too restrictive I doubt it would have made what it did.

The original point that I was trying to make is if we can make 600+rwhp with a 2.5" y and single 3" back half then what need does a 300-400hp engine have for anything larger?

JL8Jeff

10-28-2010, 07:05 PM

Jeff! Stop hitting curbs with your fbodies! We know they can tow, but you don't need to offroad with them too :)

I'm talking about the entrance to a parking lot, that "low" piece of curb. NJ is falling apart fast and if you can't fit at least a beer can standing up under anything hanging from your car, you will hit stuff. Think about it, why haven't car guys been running pipes under the rear axle for the last 30-40 years? Because it's a really bad idea with no benefits. Mandrel bends don't rob any real power unless you're making 600+ hp. And especially if you're talking about 3" dual exhaust which is way overkill. A true 2-1/2" dual over the axle will make plenty of power without the negative aspects. And a lowered car makes the argument even stronger. My 93 wasn't lowered and that trans pan was hitting stuff and it was more than a beer can off the road. Don't underestimate our crappy roads which are getting worse and won't be fixed in this economy.

sweetbmxrider

10-28-2010, 08:40 PM

Its 385 ci on pump gas and 11/12 lb of boost.. How much power do YOU think it should have made? 1.85 hp/ci isnt too bad in my opinion especially when you factor in the limitations of the 92 Octane fuel. If the exhaust was too restrictive I doubt it would have made what it did.

The original point that I was trying to make is if we can make 600+rwhp with a 2.5" y and single 3" back half then what need does a 300-400hp engine have for anything larger?

i think you meant to quote matt and his equation, i was merely problem solving.

i also agree there are better alternatives for maximizing power through an exhaust.

LTb1ow

10-28-2010, 09:00 PM

dyno it dumped headers tuned accordingly and then with catback tuned accordingly. note power difference.

nah nah, he meant you fool.

qwikz28

10-29-2010, 08:57 AM

yes but if you hang the exhaust with the suspension fully extended, its going to sit
awfully low at ride height, no? i know you are just under-exaggerating but our rear
suspensions have a good amount of travel in them. you may be ok driving on local
roads and learning what to avoid bump wise but there will be the times when you
can't avoid a bump and you end up with !tailpipes. i'm not trying to talk you out of
the setup cause i know you are going to do it, i'm just sharing some constructive
criticism. if you attack it properly, you can probably pull it off pretty good. if you go
over the axle or run dumps, there will be nothing to worry about :)

I'm talking about the entrance to a parking lot, that "low" piece of curb. NJ is falling apart fast and if you can't fit at least a beer can standing up under anything hanging from your car, you will hit stuff. Think about it, why haven't car guys been running pipes under the rear axle for the last 30-40 years? Because it's a really bad idea with no benefits. Mandrel bends don't rob any real power unless you're making 600+ hp. And especially if you're talking about 3" dual exhaust which is way overkill. A true 2-1/2" dual over the axle will make plenty of power without the negative aspects. And a lowered car makes the argument even stronger. My 93 wasn't lowered and that trans pan was hitting stuff and it was more than a beer can off the road. Don't underestimate our crappy roads which are getting worse and won't be fixed in this economy.

2 very good points. I see what you guys mean now. Dang.

I mean, I want duals for the sound and power benefits. I know I can make the power with the Y, but the duals will always make more power AND more importantly sound better. Going over the axle is an idea, but I still want to do a Watts link setup, so fitting the tubes will be tough. I haven't completely ruled out my idea yet, but I get what you guys are saying. I'll post up when the time comes.

Grifter

10-29-2010, 05:57 PM

You have the 4" Mufflex right?

Close, 3.5". :mrgreen:

NastyEllEssWon

10-29-2010, 06:33 PM

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i125/Jsaul83/Picture081.jpg?t=1288391490

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i125/Jsaul83/Picture080.jpg?t=1288391471

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i125/Jsaul83/HPIM0676.jpg?t=1288391464

there is plenty of room to go over the axle with a dual setup. going under the axle doesnt appeal. theres plenty of obstacles around that will scrape...especially speed bumps.

xrelapse13

11-01-2010, 11:45 AM

2 very good points. I see what you guys mean now. Dang.

I mean, I want duals for the sound and power benefits. I know I can make the power with the Y, but the duals will always make more power AND more importantly sound better. Going over the axle is an idea, but I still want to do a Watts link setup, so fitting the tubes will be tough. I haven't completely ruled out my idea yet, but I get what you guys are saying. I'll post up when the time comes.

Watts link actually creates more room for over the axle duals.