Four Loko, Oh No!! [Archive] - NJFBOA - Home of New Jersey's Camaros and Firebirds

deadtrend1

11-15-2010, 05:25 PM

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2010/11/four_loko_banne.php

It was too good to be true. We warned you last weekend that Four Loko, the $3 canned, caffeinated beverage that equals something like six beers and a cup of coffee, was in danger of being banned by the state of New York. Just yesterday we had some indication that Senator Chuck Schumer was not kidding around and was prepared to go around FDA approval for the drink in order to make sure no one in New York is having any fun. Today, it's looking like a done deal: Four Loko will not be delivered to New York retailers after December 10.So what is everyone going to put on their facebook status now?

I may buy a whole lot of it and sell it on ebay later.

Knipps

11-15-2010, 05:38 PM

Good thing we're all stocked up. Oh wait, we don't live in NY :moon:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/alcohol.html
also... eBay doesn't allow the sale of alcoholic beverages on its U.S. website, except for pre-approved sales of wine.

Iroc-z86

11-15-2010, 05:45 PM

eh, typical government ruining the fun. I dont like them anyways. they do get you f-d up but horrible taste.

JerzLT1

11-15-2010, 06:04 PM

i already have a case...

ar0ck

11-15-2010, 06:10 PM

I'm going to stock pile as soon as I get home for Thanksgiving & sell them on the NY Black Market

BarneyMobile

11-15-2010, 06:37 PM

I hope they ban it in NJ.

Flame suit on!

Knipps

11-15-2010, 06:42 PM

I hope they ban it in NJ.

Flame suit on!

Any particular reason?

BarneyMobile

11-15-2010, 06:57 PM

Any particular reason?
Same reason I dont like Jager Bombs or Vodka & Redbull :rofl:. I also don't like the fact of cheap drink that looks like an Arizona Iced Tea that gets you drunk so fast. The fact that its marketed to America's youth.

madness410

11-15-2010, 07:00 PM

I hope they ban it in NJ.

Flame suit on!

you're loko!

(pun intended)

enRo

11-15-2010, 07:12 PM

It's gonna be like Jersey people crossing the PA border for fireworks... NY people are gonna be crossing New Jersey borders for FourLoko :lol:

WiMiMc

11-15-2010, 07:20 PM

i think the drink is great, and it is like arizona in the way that its great value for what you're getting.

i blame all these bans on freshman

madness410

11-15-2010, 07:30 PM

yeah they did ban it at the ramapo campus...

...some kids just dont know how to party

sweetbmxrider

11-15-2010, 07:31 PM

**** 4loko

madness410

11-15-2010, 07:31 PM

...especially those idiots from ramapo

BarneyMobile

11-15-2010, 07:34 PM

**** 4loko
Thats what I'm talking about!

JerzLT1

11-15-2010, 08:03 PM

so i guess you're not having one the night before thanks giving Rob?

BigRocsFirebird

11-15-2010, 08:09 PM

**** 4loko

:nod:

BarneyMobile

11-15-2010, 11:19 PM

so i guess you're not having one the night before thanks giving Rob?

Im gonna stick to my jack & coke haha :lol:

Jersey Mike

11-15-2010, 11:24 PM

btownws6

11-16-2010, 01:55 AM

69BirdX

11-16-2010, 05:40 AM

yeah they did ban it at the ramapo campus...

...some kids just dont know how to party

Or maybe they do. Partying it hardcore

NastyEllEssWon

11-16-2010, 07:09 AM

never heard of it

WiMiMc

11-16-2010, 08:08 AM

Or maybe they do. Partying it hardcore

i hear about people mixing it with vodka!

Blacdout96

11-16-2010, 08:32 AM

I've been looking for said beer around here, cannot find it.... want to try it.

BarneyMobile

11-16-2010, 08:41 AM

1 Can = 4 beers. Just because it gets you drunk quicker doesn't mean you should ban it--under that logic, liquor stores should sell nothing other than beer.

Know your limits. That's all it boils down to.
If you've never had one before, it will surely put you well beyond what you think your limit is. Thats why I think this drink is so dangerous. Not mention the amount of caffeine in the drink mixted with alcohol, Its a heart attack in a can. Its seems that people are drinking them because its the new cool thing to do unitl they wake up in the hospital the next day.

WildBillyT

11-16-2010, 09:37 AM

Know your limits. That's all it boils down to.

This is advice that applies to damn near everything. A lot of the people getting in trouble with this stuff don't know their limits or don't care.

If you've never had one before, it will surely put you well beyond what you think your limit is. Thats why I think this drink is so dangerous. Not mention the amount of caffeine in the drink mixted with alcohol, Its a heart attack in a can. Its seems that people are drinking them because its the new cool thing to do unitl they wake up in the hospital the next day.

X2. Just like weight loss pills that people thought were harmless until they got heart palpitations. Just because you can buy it over the counter doesn't mean it's always safe/a good idea to abuse.

sweetbmxrider

11-16-2010, 09:38 AM

I've been looking for said beer around here, cannot find it.... want to try it.

that **** aint beer!

If you've never had one before, it will surely put you well beyond what you think your limit is. Thats why I think this drink is so dangerous. Not mention the amount of caffeine in the drink mixted with alcohol, Its a heart attack in a can. Its seems that people are drinking them because its the new cool thing to do unitl they wake up in the hospital the next day.

first time i've puked in yearsssss was from this crap. i also dove down stairs and tried to "fight" someone :lol: i had a pretty rough next day too.....****'s deff not for me

LS1Hawk

11-16-2010, 10:25 AM

People really need to get their priorities straight if they are going to be crossing boarders to get some stupid drink that will probably kill them.

madness410

11-16-2010, 11:02 AM

natural selection...survival of the fittest. people know about this drink and the repercussions it can cause but they drink it anyways. their choice. not my problem.

sweetbmxrider

11-16-2010, 11:16 AM

natural selection...survival of the fittest. people know about this drink and the repercussions it can cause but they drink it anyways. their choice. not my problem.

not if my repercussions end up on your carpet the morning after :rofl:

Jersey Mike

11-16-2010, 12:53 PM

If you've never had one before, it will surely put you well beyond what you think your limit is. Thats why I think this drink is so dangerous. Not mention the amount of caffeine in the drink mixted with alcohol, Its a heart attack in a can. Its seems that people are drinking them because its the new cool thing to do unitl they wake up in the hospital the next day.

I've tried them before, granted I don't drink much, I knew what I was putting in my body before I drank it. Most of my housemates just get one can to drink before the party and then just casually drink beer or whatever else throughout the night. We haven't had any incidents, I think in large part because we're informed that it is a strong drink.

And I agree with you that it's not healthy at all to drink because of the caffeine in it, but neither are dozens of other drinks; (Jagerbombs, redbull & vodka, there are tons). I can't really defend the unhealthiness of the drink, other than to say other companies have been doing it for years and are still allowed to keep their products on the shelf--This one is no different.
As far as "people drinking them because it's the cool thing to do," welcome to the world. Whether it's Pokemon cards, MySpace, Sex Bracelets or FourLoko there will always be fads and people following them.

I don't think FourLoko as a company has done anything wrong. Please don't dump a bottle of Everclear or Patron into a tub of punch, drink the whole thing, then get mad at the company for producing something strong. Portion control is one of the biggest problems people have always faced, and until we stop shouting "ban!" and start teaching responsibility and self-control, this problem won't go away.

LTb1ow

11-16-2010, 01:15 PM

I've tried them before, granted I don't drink much, I knew what I was putting in my body before I drank it. Most of my housemates just get one can to drink before the party and then just casually drink beer or whatever else throughout the night. We haven't had any incidents, I think in large part because we're informed that it is a strong drink.

And I agree with you that it's not healthy at all to drink because of the caffeine in it, but neither are dozens of other drinks; (Jagerbombs, redbull & vodka, there are tons). I can't really defend the unhealthiness of the drink, other than to say other companies have been doing it for years and are still allowed to keep their products on the shelf--This one is no different.
As far as "people drinking them because it's the cool thing to do," welcome to the world. Whether it's Pokemon cards, MySpace, Sex Bracelets or FourLoko there will always be fads and people following them.

I don't think FourLoko as a company has done anything wrong. Please don't dump a bottle of Everclear or Patron into a tub of punch, drink the whole thing, then get mad at the company for producing something strong. Portion control is one of the biggest problems people have always faced, and until we stop shouting "ban!" and start teaching responsibility and self-control, this problem won't go away.

I like this guy, logic he has. Lots of stuff can kill you,why are cigerettes not illegal? Stupid knee jerk reaction by powers to be.

I know a guy who did sailor jerry bombs in 4loko,and he is still alive. Weird.

sweetbmxrider

11-16-2010, 01:25 PM

jersey mike gets post of the year. i never knew so much sense could be had from teh internet, nicely done sir!

KirkEvil

11-16-2010, 01:57 PM

4 Loko is really not that bad. I blame the ban on stupid people abusing four loko for their first time, inexperienced with the drink. After drinking them for the first time I realized that its no joke...that stuff gets you drunk fast and then you're fired up from the caffeine to do something stupid. Keep selling it, and people will catch on that it isnt something you should be funneling.

I know a guy who did sailor jerry bombs in 4loko,and he is still alive. Weird.

^^It was delicious.

not if my repercussions end up on your carpet the morning after :rofl:

Cleaning this up was the worst part of four loko night :rofl:

sweetbmxrider

11-16-2010, 02:01 PM

i still owe your mom dinner hahaha

Knipps

11-16-2010, 06:20 PM

Start stocking up now guys

http://www.businessinsider.com/four-loko-fda-ban-2010-11

I heard next up is wine bc it's made from grapes and kids may think it's juice. /sarcasm

sweetbmxrider

11-16-2010, 08:28 PM

The FDA is, according to Schumer, is going to rule that caffeine cannot be added to alcoholic drinks.

No moaar irish coffee? :( Rum & coke? :( Jaegerbombs :fistpump: ? :(

deadtrend1

11-16-2010, 08:33 PM

They still never said what the ingredient was that makes you go on Facebook and post about "Four Loko" ...

sweetbmxrider

11-16-2010, 09:28 PM

pff thats just the new drunk. must. contact. social network.

xrelapse13

11-16-2010, 11:20 PM

I've tried them before, granted I don't drink much, I knew what I was putting in my body before I drank it. Most of my housemates just get one can to drink before the party and then just casually drink beer or whatever else throughout the night. We haven't had any incidents, I think in large part because we're informed that it is a strong drink.

And I agree with you that it's not healthy at all to drink because of the caffeine in it, but neither are dozens of other drinks; (Jagerbombs, redbull & vodka, there are tons). I can't really defend the unhealthiness of the drink, other than to say other companies have been doing it for years and are still allowed to keep their products on the shelf--This one is no different.
As far as "people drinking them because it's the cool thing to do," welcome to the world. Whether it's Pokemon cards, MySpace, Sex Bracelets or FourLoko there will always be fads and people following them.

I don't think FourLoko as a company has done anything wrong. Please don't dump a bottle of Everclear or Patron into a tub of punch, drink the whole thing, then get mad at the company for producing something strong. Portion control is one of the biggest problems people have always faced, and until we stop shouting "ban!" and start teaching responsibility and self-control, this problem won't go away.

Exactly, there are a lot of things available to the general public that are either dangerous or easily abused. Doesn't mean that they should all be banned. You can't fix stupid, you can be an idiot with just about anything in this world. Once again though, most of the time if you're hurting yourself that's your problem, not that of the general public. Call me insensitive but if you choose to drink a bunch of four lokos to impress someone knowing full well they're strong then you deserve whatever comes to you.

The less idiots the better.

Don't ban, educate. Like Mike said, teach people to be responsible for their actions, to not always look for someone else or some other company to shun the blame to and you will have progress. Until then nothing is going to change.

qwikz28

11-16-2010, 11:50 PM

That stuff is bad for you, and like BarneyMobile said, it is targeted at youth which makes it all the more cause for concern.

Firstly, this stuff is alcohol and caffeine. Alcohol makes you drunk, caffeine makes you awake? Why is that so bad? Now, if you drink this stuff and are awake, it gives you a false sense of sobriety. Do you really want a 17 year old kid driving home from a party after downing a few of these behind the wheel because he feels "awake?"

Secondly, Alcohol is a depressant, caffeine is a stimulant. The two mixed together can create irregular heart rhythms, as well as other blood and heart issues. I am not a doctor, nor have I drank this stuff before, but this, as far as I know and google can confirm, is common knowledge.

I didn't know about this stuff's existence until I saw it on the news today or yesterday. It blows my mind that people would do this to their bodies. Not that alcohol is all that healthy in itself, but what happened to just kicking back and having drinks with your friends? Why do we insist on a dangerous mix just because it gets you drunk quicker? Anything that makes you drunk quicker can only lead to one thing: vomit.

Edit: and to those of you that suggest education, what do you propose we do now? Or to those who don't listen? You can say that the problem will persist, but if a ban could save a few lives, and the problem will persist anyway, then why not?

Knipps

11-17-2010, 12:19 AM

17 year old who thinks he can drink and drive 1. shouldn't be drinking and 2. shouldn't be driving after 11pm (I think it is now)

11-17-2010, 02:01 AM

I have no desire to try 4 loko. I like everclear and soco.

If ya wanna get drunk, come to one of my parties and let me make u a shot.

Wasn't it Al and north Tim who had issues after my shot "I see dead people"?.... Al found a bed for the night and passed out and tim came inside covered in blood and had no memory what happened. the 3rd person couldn't stomach it at all. I had 2 plus several other real shots, and was fine. Gosh, I was an alcoholic.

xrelapse13

11-17-2010, 03:25 AM

Frosty

11-17-2010, 08:14 AM

TDo you really want a 17 year old kid driving home from a party after downing a few of these behind the wheel because he feels "awake?"

What is a 17yr old doing drinking in the first place? What's the difference if said driver is 17 or 35? The fact is they were drinking and driving, it wouldn't matter if it was this drink or a few shots of Jack.

Everyone needs to calm down, the drink isn't good for you but neither is alcohol in general unless it's moderation....that's always the key word. People think they're big tough because they can down a 5th of Jack or drink 15 beers in a night....then they wonder why they have health problems or can't remember what they did the night before.

If people can't understand the ingredients or know their limits then they get what they deserve. I know that sounds heartless but no one is responsible for their damn actions any more and it's sickening.

JL8Jeff

11-17-2010, 08:24 AM

The stupid drink is obviously a dangerous combination, that's why it's being banned. Anybody can combine their own ingredients to make something similar but that means you are actually mixing it yourself. This stuff is already mixed and you have no control over the ratio of the ingredients. You can't compare Red Bull and Vodka to 4 Loko. heck, the stupid "energy" drinks should be banned as well, there's nothing beneficial to putting that much caffeine into your system all at one time.

LTb1ow

11-17-2010, 09:56 AM

qwikz28

11-17-2010, 10:01 AM

you mean the FDA? It has long been determined that out of public policy it is good for the government to step in and protect the people.

The reason why cigarettes weren't banned is because the same reason of what happened with the prohibition. The people would revolt. Now, they just decided to tax the heck out of it make money and discourage its use. A ban wouldn't work this late in the game.

WildBillyT

11-17-2010, 10:03 AM

But since when is it the government's job to dictate to me what is healthy for me and what I can and cannot ingest?

Why have cigarettes not been banned?

$$$$$$$$$$$$

The government can't make stupidity illegal. But if banning it means not spending taxpayer money to clean up some dumbass kid's dead carcass, then I'm all for it. Stupid people don't need help to be more stupid. And I consider ingorance of ingestion to be stupidity. To Jake's point, the FDA is around to help protect us from dangerous substances.

If you are young and want to be dumb, go ahead. Just don't take money from my pocket, directly or not. Cigarettes aren't banned because of how entwined the companies are with other businesses. Kind of like a big tumor intertwined around your spinal column.

I am surprised that you even blink at this, Matt. Seeing as how your other hobby is regulated like this all of the time.

79T/A

11-17-2010, 11:08 AM

What is a 17yr old doing drinking in the first place?

Yeah, that's what I say every time I have to deal with another drunk kid. Amazingly, most of them are late middle schoolers (8th graders) and young high schoolers (Freshmen and sophs). Fact is, as stated earlier, Loko is the newest fad and these idiot kids are drinking it as fast as they can illegally obtain it (And posting pics of themselves in various states of consciousness on Facebook) in the name of being cool. I hate the stuff just based on the fact that they love it and abuse it, but it's no easier to obtain than any other alcoholic beverage, and somehow someone invariably manages to get booze, whether through fake IDs or conning an adult into buying it. So banning it isn't going to solve the problem of drunk teens. I personally wouldn't touch the stuff (I'm a J.D. guy myself), but I don't think it has to be taken away from reasonable adults who want to imbibe (Although I question their reasonableness if they really want this p***water).

Very well put, Jersey Mike.

LTb1ow

11-17-2010, 11:29 AM

The government can't make stupidity illegal. But if banning it means not spending taxpayer money to clean up some dumbass kid's dead carcass, then I'm all for it. Stupid people don't need help to be more stupid. And I consider ingorance of ingestion to be stupidity. To Jake's point, the FDA is around to help protect us from dangerous substances.

If you are young and want to be dumb, go ahead. Just don't take money from my pocket, directly or not. Cigarettes aren't banned because of how entwined the companies are with other businesses. Kind of like a big tumor intertwined around your spinal column.

I am surprised that you even blink at this, Matt. Seeing as how your other hobby is regulated like this all of the time.

No I know, I am playing devils advocate I guess. Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

Knipps

11-17-2010, 11:30 AM

http://i54.tinypic.com/24lo5dd.jpg

WildBillyT

11-17-2010, 12:01 PM

No I know, I am playing devils advocate I guess. Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

Lawyers have to make $$, but that's a blanket statement about responsibility in general.

NJ346

11-17-2010, 12:09 PM

I've tried one once and didn't like it. I'd rather get drunk off of a few shots than down one these.

thunder

11-17-2010, 02:03 PM

Me and my friends drink four loko all the time. The taste is tolerable and its cheap. 2 weekends ago i drank to much off it and threw up and picked a fight. If u ask me how many times four loko caused me to vomit or pick a fight i would say zero because i am responsible for my actions not the drink.

WildBillyT

11-17-2010, 02:13 PM

caused me to vomit or pick a fight i would say zero because i am responsible for my actions not the drink.

Not calling you out, but you'd be surprised how many people say this and then when they get cuffed and stuffed for being disorderly they cry foul and blame everybody from the bar to John Wilkes Booth.

thunder

11-17-2010, 03:05 PM

Not calling you out, but you'd be surprised how many people say this and then when they get cuffed and stuffed for being disorderly they cry foul and blame everybody from the bar to John Wilkes Booth.

oh no doubt. But my point is that in the end your responsible for what you do. If u get yourself hurt then u should be responsible for it

Frosty

11-17-2010, 03:20 PM

to John Wilkes Booth.

That bastard is just screwing up everyone's lives....

qwikz28

11-17-2010, 10:03 PM

That bastard is just screwing up everyone's lives....

:lol: and I actually did lol btw

Frosty

11-17-2010, 10:41 PM

:D:D:D

BurninrubberGT

11-17-2010, 11:57 PM

i start everyday with a 4loco, its a great pick me up in the morn

lol..

Frosty

11-19-2010, 12:53 PM

Another local article written about a St. Joe's student being hospitalized after drinking this beverage...BUT....ONCE AGAIN it doesn't state how much was consumed, just like most of the other articles written.

Knipps

11-19-2010, 01:51 PM

Or what else they drank....

LS1Hawk

11-19-2010, 02:59 PM

I remember when the only badass drink was Jolt Cola.

Frosty

11-19-2010, 03:04 PM

That stuff was so bad, lol

Knipps

11-19-2010, 05:17 PM

That stuff was so bad, lol

Was? It's still around. They gave me a free Tshirt a few years back :D

Frosty

11-19-2010, 05:22 PM

Oh it's still being made? I haven't seen that stuff in years.

JL8Jeff

11-19-2010, 05:36 PM

I read that 4Loko is dropping the caffeine from the product. So that would leave it as just another malt beverage I guess.

BonzoHansen

11-19-2010, 05:41 PM

I read that 4Loko is dropping the caffeine from the product. So that would leave it as just another malt beverage I guess.

because it appears the FDA is barring caffeinated alcoholic beverages.

http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm234109.htm

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration today warned four companies that the caffeine added to their malt alcoholic beverages is an “unsafe food additive” and said that further action, including seizure of their products, is possible under federal law.

The companies receiving Warning Letters and their products are:

• Charge Beverages Corp.: Core High Gravity HG, Core High Gravity HG Orange, and Lemon Lime Core Spiked
• New Century Brewing Co., LLC: Moonshot
• Phusion Projects, LLC (doing business as Drink Four Brewing Co.): Four Loko
• United Brands Company Inc.: Joose and Max

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704312504575618680068155888.html?m od=googlenews_wsj

T69SS

11-19-2010, 07:18 PM

When you make the decision to drink an alcoholic beverage you are the one in control. I agree with Frosty on the point that no one owns up to thier own actions anymore and its rediculous.

Excess is excess, no matter what you drink.

WildBillyT

11-19-2010, 08:30 PM

because it appears the FDA is barring caffeinated alcoholic beverages.

http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm234109.htm

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration today warned four companies that the caffeine added to their malt alcoholic beverages is an “unsafe food additive” and said that further action, including seizure of their products, is possible under federal law.

The companies receiving Warning Letters and their products are:

• Charge Beverages Corp.: Core High Gravity HG, Core High Gravity HG Orange, and Lemon Lime Core Spiked
• New Century Brewing Co., LLC: Moonshot
• Phusion Projects, LLC (doing business as Drink Four Brewing Co.): Four Loko
• United Brands Company Inc.: Joose and Max

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704312504575618680068155888.html?m od=googlenews_wsj

I believe Australia already has a ban on alcohol mixed with energy drinks- and their right to get plastered is like our right to bear arms, or the Germans' right to do 160 on the highway.

Frosty

11-19-2010, 08:51 PM

That would be cool if all of those rights were wrapped up into one. Driving 160mph, while drinking a 4-Loco and popping off a .45....it's almost like OJ's getaway scene but not.

LS1Hawk

11-19-2010, 10:55 PM

Oh it's still being made? I haven't seen that stuff in years.

Yeah, I see it every once in awhile. One of the pizzeria's in my area carries it sometimes.

Knipps

11-20-2010, 12:49 AM

I believe Australia already has a ban on alcohol mixed with energy drinks- and their right to get plastered is like our right to bear arms, or the Germans' right to do 160 on the highway.

yeah but you can get a rum & coke in the same can!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/28/46965974_fa7e6a6db3_o.jpg

sweetbmxrider

11-20-2010, 01:38 PM

That would be cool if all of those rights were wrapped up into one. Driving 160mph, while drinking a 4-Loco and popping off a .45....it's almost like OJ's getaway scene but not.

ever been to mexico? :lol:

hell, even texas

Tru2Chevy

11-20-2010, 05:15 PM

yeah but you can get a rum & coke in the same can!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/28/46965974_fa7e6a6db3_o.jpg

Some cola is decaf ya know :)

- Justin

IROCZman15

11-23-2010, 03:54 PM

wow, lots of comment on this issue. jeez, i have been drinking stuff just like 4 loco for yearssssss. nobody has ever heard of Sparx and Sparx+ ? yes, i probably have gut rot and health problems, but why all of a sudden did 4 loco become a target when the other companies with similar drinks have been overlooked for years? it all boils down to drinking responsibly. just because some people died from drinking it doesn't mean it must be banned statewide. people have been dying from alcohol poisining for years and we tried prohibition. just drink responsibly. like i said, i have been drinking sparx for probably 5 years or more. (not like a few a day.. but like 3-4 every month for partying times)... i've had some wild times too, but nothing that out of control. 4 loco is just taking a lot of heat from the media and congressmen want to look good by banning it.

madness410

11-24-2010, 10:35 PM

i think maybe because 4loko went a little overboard with it. 4loko is 12% alcohol, i believe the strongest sparks is 7%? not entirely sure. and the 4loko can is nearly twice the size of the sparks cans.

Demonicbird00

11-25-2010, 09:38 AM

i tried it, tastes like crap. plenty of other ways to get drunk that tastes better

madness410

11-25-2010, 09:47 AM

but not cheaper haha...for $2.50 a can and its equivalent to a six pack of beer

WildBillyT

11-25-2010, 10:11 AM

but not cheaper haha...for $2.50 a can and its equivalent to a six pack of beer

Yes you can. Cheap whiskey or vodka. $10 for a 750 of 80 proof?

Knipps

11-25-2010, 11:42 AM

Sparks is 8% at its strongest and doesn't contain any caffeine (although it did when it came on the market)
In September 2008, the Center for Science in the Public Interest, a Washington, D.C.-based non-profit watchdog and consumer advocacy group, sued MillerCoors, claiming that its Sparks alcoholic beverages that include caffeine are a health hazard.[6] Three months later, at the behest of San Francisco and 13 states, distributor MillerCoors LLC announced it would remove the caffeine from its Sparks line of energy drinks, and would change its marketing campaign.[7] "We're doing it to protect the public health of our young people and to reform business practices," said S.F. City Attorney Dennis Herrera.[8]
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but not cheaper haha...for $2.50 a can and its equivalent to a six pack of beer

6 pack? what kind of beer do you drink?