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SteveR 09-26-2008 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Shownomercy (Post 492044)
Didn't say that they aren't effective, but guerrilla styled fighting in dense cities would kinda make them ineffective.

Depends on the situation. If the enemy doesnt know you have tanks, or know you're coming, you can do massive devastation with them. Think about it like this, its a lot harder to kill troops if they are spread out in the woods with a tank, but in an urban situation, they'll most likely be grouped together in buildings. You can level an entire building with one round, effectively taking out an entire platoon in one shot, and with little exposure to your own troops who'll be behind you.

LTb1ow 09-26-2008 03:43 PM

Yes and a well trained smaller force can corner a tank and ambush it.

Tsar 09-26-2008 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Shownomercy (Post 492058)
It's not? :rofl: And I would imagine a T72 in a jungle environment wouldn't do so well either...

Africa has jungles?

SteveR 09-26-2008 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 492056)
I'm just reinforcing our gubment's mentality.

I know, just trying to be funny :lol:

LTb1ow 09-26-2008 03:44 PM

Africa? I thought we were on Venezuela?

Frosty 09-26-2008 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveR (Post 492066)
I know, just trying to be funny :lol:

I know ;)

Tsar 09-26-2008 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Shownomercy (Post 492064)
Yes and a well trained smaller force can corner a tank and ambush it.

We are talking about third world freedom fighters that wear life jackets as bullet proof vests, not Navy Seals.

SteveR 09-26-2008 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Shownomercy (Post 492064)
Yes and a well trained smaller force can corner a tank and ambush it.

You can definitely disable a tank on foot, but you dont really 'corner it' like you would a small animal :lol:

Tsar 09-26-2008 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Shownomercy (Post 492067)
Africa? I thought we were on Venezuela?

wow.... my condolences.

LTb1ow 09-26-2008 03:45 PM

I suppose, but any one can figure that out no? Play enough COD and you should be good to go.

SteveR 09-26-2008 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Shownomercy (Post 492073)
I suppose, but any one can figure that out no? Play enough COD and you should be good to go.

That's whats great about tactics, its not only figuring out your enemies weaknesses, but how to exploit them effectively.

Frosty 09-26-2008 03:49 PM

COD 4 FTW :D

I've taken out many a tanks in that game...the Navy Seals have nothing on me :D

LTb1ow 09-26-2008 03:57 PM

But considering how rampant RPGs and similar weapons are, a heavy main battle tank in heavy jungle terrain doesn't seem to have much of a chance to me.

Tsar 09-26-2008 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Shownomercy (Post 492084)
But considering how rampant RPGs and similar weapons are, a heavy main battle tank in heavy jungle terrain doesn't seem to have much of a chance to me.

Somalia is not in South America, it's in Africa...

LTb1ow 09-26-2008 03:59 PM

And NJ is not in Siberia, its in the USA....

Tsar 09-26-2008 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Shownomercy (Post 492087)
And NJ is not in Siberia, its in the USA....

I'm not the one confused about geographical locations of certain places. :shrug:

BigAls87Z28 09-26-2008 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tsar (Post 492049)
Funny, in 2006 a tank was stolen out of a museum and driven in the streets of Budapest during anti government protests. I guess it is not that difficult after all. Also I'm willing to bet a few hundred dollars that people who would buy them would have enough money to find someone to teach them basic op's or at the very least learn them themselves.

Stick to GM nuts swinging please.

Alright, so here we go again

So we have 300 or so African pirate rebels, and now they have a bunch of tanks!
So they learn how to drive them. w00t!
And in about 10 hrs, they are just stationary gun platforms because the supply of gas and other maint. is not there.
So again...to the rebel's, these tanks are more $$$ then wepons to them. They can sell the T72' to some nation that has the support that a T72's need to opperate in the field, and then the rebels can take that cash and buy more things like guns, in which will work better for the kind of fighting they do.
If the rebels are smart, they would hook up with another goverment to sell them to or trade them for wepons they can use, such as RPG's, sub machine guns, heavy wepons, and perhaps higher technology.
We arent talking about a standing army. We are talking about rebels who move fast, fight fast, and flee.
A tank would be the last thing they really need. But, they will probably think like you, and start shooting things with it, break it, and not now how to fix it. And now its useless.
Great, good plan there commie.

LTb1ow 09-26-2008 04:06 PM

I am just confused as to where we were discussing where these T72s are. I think I got Russia allying with Venezuela in my mind and then coupled that with missing T72s.

LTb1ow 09-26-2008 04:08 PM

And its a friggen Russian tank, how hard could it be to maintain?

BigAls87Z28 09-26-2008 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Shownomercy (Post 492091)
I am just confused as to where we were discussing where these T72s are. I think I got Russia allying with Venezuela in my mind and then coupled that with missing T72s.

T72's are in Africa, or at least hijacks by African pirates off the coast.

Russia and Venzeuela are now good friends, and Russia will be sending them wepons which could also include tanks, fighters, bombers, etc etc since they gave Ven. a $1billion dollar credt. Thats a lot of Russian wepons for a country that small.

LTb1ow 09-26-2008 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28 (Post 492093)
T72's are in Africa, or at least hijacks by African pirates off the coast.

Russia and Venzeuela are now good friends, and Russia will be sending them wepons which could also include tanks, fighters, bombers, etc etc since they gave Ven. a $1billion dollar credt. Thats a lot of Russian wepons for a country that small.

Didn't work for em so well in the cold war, but I guess with out economy the way it is, might as well try again....

BigAls87Z28 09-26-2008 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Shownomercy (Post 492092)
And its a friggen Russian tank, how hard could it be to maintain?

True...but could you fix your car in your driveway with zero tools?
Lets say you have some tools, and you have some instruction books and repair manuals...problem is. Its in Russian.

Sure, its EASY...but with NO TOOLS, whats the point? Unless you also captured a fleet of refuling trucks, along with instruction manuals, on top of opperational equipment manuals...oh yeah...AND ITS IN ****ING RUSSIAN!
So unless included in this big bundle of tanks is a Kenyan to Russian translator book, the tanks are useless!!

LTb1ow 09-26-2008 04:15 PM

I can repair my car without tools any day, its easy, anything wrong with it, I blame the opti, problem fixed. :wink:See? Anyone can do that. And the T72 is diesel, which I would imagine is pretty universal. Granted weapon systems may be different story, but given the time I would think some one could figure it out.

Tsar 09-26-2008 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28 (Post 492090)
Alright, so here we go again

So we have 300 or so African pirate rebels, and now they have a bunch of tanks!
So they learn how to drive them. w00t!
And in about 10 hrs, they are just stationary gun platforms because the supply of gas and other maint. is not there.
So again...to the rebel's, these tanks are more $$$ then wepons to them. They can sell the T72' to some nation that has the support that a T72's need to opperate in the field, and then the rebels can take that cash and buy more things like guns, in which will work better for the kind of fighting they do.
If the rebels are smart, they would hook up with another goverment to sell them to or trade them for wepons they can use, such as RPG's, sub machine guns, heavy wepons, and perhaps higher technology.
We arent talking about a standing army. We are talking about rebels who move fast, fight fast, and flee.
A tank would be the last thing they really need. But, they will probably think like you, and start shooting things with it, break it, and not now how to fix it. And now its useless.
Great, good plan there commie.

When Russian's offered some surplus Soviet Tanks to Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, they didn't seem to think the tanks were useless in fighting Taliban...

BigAls87Z28 09-26-2008 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Shownomercy (Post 492100)
I can repair my car without tools any day, its easy, anything wrong with it, I blame the opti, problem fixed. :wink:See? Anyone can do that. And the T72 is diesel, which I would imagine is pretty universal. Granted weapon systems may be different story, but given the time I would think some one could figure it out.

Im sure, anything is possible.
But you are talking about non-educated African rebels that have probably never seen a tank. With half of them teenagers or younger, it would be a long time till they got it to work right.
In the end, they will do 2 things
1- shoot it a few times and break it
2- sell them for guns/money/bombs that they can use.


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