Funny I was talking to the guy that I bought the car from on another board and he now has a LQ4 LSX motor and it starting tapping as well. Come to find out he used a Fram filter his last oil change as well.

christ wasnt there a recent test and a thread sayin that RP was great? im gonna just use amsoil in the show truck and pennzoil platnium in the car

pennzoil is good if you like metal shavings and water in your oil

wtf, amsoil all the way then lol

Someone should make an oil thread debate and watch it go downhill, fast. :lol:

F that. I'll lock it out of general principle. I think one of those has plagued every automotive message board on the Internet at one point, and has changed 0 opinions.

Sooo I should resist the urge to make one with a poll?

we kinda had one before with mobil 1. just go to bobistheoilguy.com and learn something, FROM EXPERTS!!!!!

Hmm, been using Fram filters for 20 years on all types of cars with no problems.

Post was in regards to Ls1's. Never said they sucked for other cars.

But do you have real proof they suck on LS1 cars? Different oil will cause the piston slap noise more than the filter will so you're making some big assumptions. It's really a personal preference when it comes to oil and filters just like headers and exhaust.

How about a review that they just generally suck?

And here is a letter from the production engineer from there.
http://www.knizefamily.net/minimopar...ence.html#fram

I've never used their stuff, and never will - simply because I have not heard one person say that they make a decent filter, before I made up my opinion.

I found several posts on ls1tech w/ guys having the same problem along w/ tests showing there flowrate...and like I said previously the guy that I bought my car from recently started to have the same problem on his LSX after using a Fram...The best proof imo is the one you see with your own eyes. If listed isnt enough then im not sure what is. Nor am I nieve enough to believe that it will happen on every LS1.

Fram spends more money on advertising than anything...making you believe they are good filters. In reality they have a small amount of filter media as compared to everyone else, and quality control is a big issue. I bought them because they were convienient and I thought they were good, then I started doing some research and found out they are basically the worst filter you can buy. I'm sure they were good in the past, but you know how things go when the wrong guys get in charge...trying to squeeze every penny out of the operation.

I'd guess that that's it as well. Bean counters cutting the balls off of something that was once great. If you really want to puke regarding that stuff, look up the Melling oil pump debacle.

The important thing to keep in mind is that we are all talking about a performace application. Yeah, the filters aren't great for that (I had a weird minor OP flutter problem in the GP that went away when I went K&N) but they are good for somebody who just needs a filter to keep their low performance 30psi at WOT DD on the road. Not everybody wants to pay for a filter that's overkill for the application.

Fram use to be the best. Oh well. Some of this could also be application specific.

I try to use dealer filters when possible. OE parts work.

But my point is, have you ever had an engine failure because you use Fram filters? Most likely no, so all the reading and "testing" doesn't truly validate your claims. I personally never liked Fram and always went with NAPA, AC Delco or Mobil 1 filters but I have never lost an engine either so I can't say anything bad about them. I have used Fram on occasion and did not lose the engine so I can't claim it's a bad filter. I have watched somebody wipe out a cam when they switched brands of oil so I would be more worried about the oil. Any part can have a defect which could lead to failure so don't jump to conclusions is my point.

Not exactly sure what your getting at all. I can tell you that a loud tap coming from your motor isnt good and could possibly lead to furthur problems. Does an engine need to fail for there filters to be garbage? Do a quick google search w/ fram filters and engine failure and you might find something lol.

http://ls1tech.com/forums/general-ma...er-so-bad.html

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...am+oil+filters

I don't believe that I have ever used a Fram filter, I didn't do so because of my belief that it's an inferior product. My belief comes from reading about other peoples experience and forming my opinion on that. Why would I put that, what I belief is an inferior product, on my car? I would rather read and learn on other people's mistakes than jeopardize my own car.

You claim, or at least it looks like you're, that to have an opinion about an oil filter one must first lose an engine to conclude that the filter is bad/inferior is asinine, IMO. If you believe that, and you believe that all filters are equal until one messes up our engine then so be it. However I'm not one of those people. :shrug:

If an oil filter fails it generally doesn't wipe out an engine...the filter is bypassed and the engine just uses unfiltered oil. If anything it shortens the life of an engine, but failure is a possibility. There was a period in time where the small block chevy didn't have an oil filter, and the filter was added for obvious reasons. I'm sure if an engine is damaged Fram would get their large legal team together and blame it on something else.

So if I posted that using Exxon gasoline will cause you to lose and engine because it's cheap gas and will cause your pistons to sieze you would never use Exxon then? My point is that you can't claim stuff without your own proof. Reading what someone has posted on the web is definitely helpful for you to make decision's but you can't claim those conclusions yourself.

Hmm...what are you missing here lol? MYcar was tapping. The mechanic that did the change on my car said it was the cause.

I understand that, but all LS1's tap with the piston slap. I've seen LS1's with 180K miles on them with the piston slap their whole life and no engine failure.

Footnote: Many of GM's motors with hyper pistons do that. Not just the LS1. My dad's pickup sounds like a diesel at startup.

If just one person posted it on the internet, I would not stay away from Exxon. I would attribute it to bad luck most likely. If, for example, 100 thousand people posted that they have been having problems with Exxon gas then yea I would stay away without taking a chance of damaging my car. Seems logical to me. :shrug: