I personally hate the GTI more than any other car in the world, for the sole reason that almost every person I've met who owns one thinks they are the greatest cars in the world and HATE all American cars. I personally think their hideous looking, and I don't know how he can say their producing the same amount of power as American cars with their 200hp?. Then they complain that no shop will change their oil, probably because of the "sophisticated" German engineering...its to the point where i get frustrated just seeing one lol

when he says VW is top three in the world and top ten for years, ask him where he got his information. if he wiggles, nail his ass to the wall. not even VW's own magazines would say such lies. then go to consumer's reports and show him how bad they really are.

during bench racing, sometimes some unreal statements get made. but for someone to claim they are top 3 world and top ten for years... i mean, come on... honduh can't even say that (oh, wait, yes they can...)

a lot of my friends have GTIs or some kind of VW and none of em ever rip on my car accept that they go around corners better than i do which is true but for the most part they are scared of it haha

Almighty Google disagrees with you. VW has been in top 3 according to their charts since 2007 (4th in '06). And this year in Q1 it's suppose to over take Toyota as the best selling auto maker.

this "top 3" thing confuses me... top 3 WHAT? top in safety? power? sales? reliability? cost? kangaroos? cup holders?

there are so many variables. i don't understand how a car company could claim they're the top of anything without specifying what it is that puts them there above all others.

Without specific reference it usually means sales. At least in business situations that I have encountered. If soemthing else is meant they will specify.

It's easy.. wait until you fix your car, tell him you want to race and whoop his ass. That'll show him. And you can still do his GF for ****s and giggles.

fail...

you can be pro domestic, and pro gm all you want. but please stop comparing a 20+ year old third gen to NEW cars. you might win in a drag race, but everything else about ANY other car will be nicer, thats the point of 20 years of progress and technology.

if you argue against a NEW vw, and your argument is your iroc, you are a bigger fanboi then them

Invite him to come to the F-body show in August. Maybe you can go to a VW water show and see how the other half lives. Each car has it's positives and negitives. 8-)

1.) Ask him how many VW's go for hundreds of thousands of dollars when they become classics

2.) Ask him to go powershift a Jetta, and see how it reacts.

3.) Ask him about VW's racing heritage. And ask him why actual German people think that they are low performance bitches compared to Porsche, BMW, and MB.

4.) Remind him that his engine DOESN'T make the same amount of power as a larger American motor.

5.) Ask him to compare his R32's engine with GM's DI V6 and compare the two


Everybody I know who has owned a VW has been adamant about never owning another one. And that's around 10 people.

lol mike i wasnt comparing my car to his...he was comparing his vw to every american made car. he was ripping on my friend because he was looking at newer stangs for his next car. i didnt even talk to the kid my friend sent me the conversation between them

As Tsar stated, saying "always" or "all" is dumb. Oh yeah, if he complains about the economy tell him to ask the Germans for money.

hahah yeah exactly bill.

http://www.fquick.com/blog/2009_Ford...han_Honda/2876 Not GM, but it gives you something to go on

Just tell him VW hasnt made a car worth owning in the last 20 years. see what that makes him say. I dont know how you can argue for vw when their top of the line sports car makes 200hp and is fwd

Edit: and yes the recent concensus is that their is virtually nothing different about modern japanese cars than modern american cars. I am a fan of toyota, but only because of cars like the mk3 supra and mr2. I think the original root cause of the "american cars are junk" thing came from cars like the cavalier, escort, and the K cars. The caddys, corvettes, mustangs, crown vics, impalas, all the fullsize cars in general have always been well built since the beginning. they can stfu!

he would argue the veyron motor is made by volkswagen..idk if it really is but thats what he would say lol

Without getting too political:

I'm not really trying to be a dick, either. I'm not a flag-waving THEY TOOK OUR JERRRRBBSSS type of guy. I just try and buy American as much as I can because I have an general understanding (albeit a bit basic) of how our economy works and where the money goes. That's not to say I like fostering business behaviors like we have seen over the past decade or so...

exactly im definately with you on that bill

See opinions are like ********, everyone has one. While you might think Chevy Cavalier is the greatest piece of technology - I think GM only makes two good cars (and by that I mean cars that appeal to me). That would be CTS(V) and the Vette. VW makes the CC (pretty nice looking car), Passat is decent daily beater too. Then we can move on to Audi TT(S), Audi S5, Rs4, R8. Strange, that's a lot more than two. See that's why it's called an opinion, and why your comment of "vw hasn't made a good car in the last 20 years" is pretty useless and idiotic.

Last time I checked R8 had a V10 and was not FWD. Did I look at the wrong sticker?

Not sure how far we can go with that. Example:

In 1998, Lamborghini became a subsidiary of the German car manufacturer Audi AG, which is in turn a subsidiary of Volkswagen Group, which is in turn a subsidiary of Porsche.

So using transitivity, that makes a Lambo a Porsche. Huh?

If you want to exclude everything that VW owns than we should limit GM to just Chevy, or maybe Saturn... you pick. :shrug:

http://www.autonews.com/article/2009...304179992/1042


EDIT. VW owns 99.14% of Audi is that not enough? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group

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Yeah, that was my issue. As far as who owns the company they are the same, but just because they are made by the same parent company that doesn't mean that the actual vehicles have a lot in common. Drive that CTS-V and then drive an Aveo. Or a Buick. They are both made by GM but have nothing in common except for probably some emblem glue. As far as technology sharing, if VW is owned by Porsche then who's to say that the RWD/AWD/TT stuff didn't go from Porsche straight to Audi?

I was saying that cars like the cavalier/escort arent worth owning either. And no i was not referring to audi. The guy is saying VW is the greatest manufacturer, not audi, porsche, and vw and everything they own. I never compared them to GM and all the brands they own. I was referring to the fact that they, VW, have not made any kind of sports car, or in general a car worth going out of your way to own(not worth owning), not a car you buy because you need it or because its a good car. And yes i am aware some people may not like my opinions, thats why i dont tout them off as facts