Theres a lot of people who never had problems with ford pintos but that doesnt mean they're alright.

I'll take it if you give me a buck three eighty!

Too much gas to get to the boonies that you call home.

8-)

fram makes tough guard. its just a different design, and the only fram worth using.

In 1989 when I did my first oil change on my new IROC, I used a standard FRAM and used nothing else since. Just turned 351,000 miles, original engine. If they were "crap", and "junk" my engine would have hand grenaded long ago.

you can bang whores without a bag for 20yrs too. do you want to take that chance

Sorry, not an apples to apples comparrison. :-?

you can use fram and not have any problems.



fram is fine for normal cars and driving but i wouldnt use it any type of performance application.....

x2.......

so its ok for ls1's?


what about fram defense line?

no. buy something else.

Here is the bottom line. No one is going to argue that a standard Fram is the best. Its not. There are prolly better filters out there. Investigate and go get one.
My experience however spans 20 yrs - and shows with 351,000 miles of data that the filter is at least adequate and does the job it was designed to do.

yes but with 351k miles not being the norm for these types of vehicles tells me that youve maintained your car very well or very rarely get on it.



as for sweetbmx....no frams arent good for ls1's...perfect for lt1's

Fram defense line is about as good as the Giant's defence line was yesterday against the Saints...:mrgreen:

I think the point is that fram oil filters are pretty much the worst filter you can buy on the market, especially for the money. Yet they are advertised as being good. It has been proven that they use inferior components, compared to other filters on the market. You can get a much better wix/napa filter for damn near the same money.

The only thing Fram is good at is advertising. It's obvious where their priorties are.

this being said, why would anyone knowingly buy an inferior product, when better products are readily available for the same cost.