I'm down for that, I need a break from the automotive business, New Jersey for that matter. I was thinking of going back to school, but it's hard to consider goign when the market's tough. It would be nice to have schooling under my belt if the market decides to change, but between supporting the wifey, my accident I had a couple weeks ago, and some unfinished business that needs to be taken care of, looking for a house, and deciphering when to go back to Taiwan, I won't be goign to school for a little while, hopefully things change by then.

Start your own buisness.

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- Justin

WIN

What seals the deal is the coin comment. Fantastic.

Im trying to try and get every certification and degree one man can get.
Im gunna continue to pick up my Bach in Marketing/Business, ASE cert is done, want to get a teaching cert too.
I have a job, and I enjoy it for the most part. It pays decent, but there is always something better. Ive put in for jobs that have nothing to do with what I do now, trying everything.

Commercial guys make a lot and you guys work normal hours too. And you don't deal with the crazies.

ahaha...yep.

Heh, I'm gonna call up the Zone's commercial and ask for left handed wrenchs.

This is becoming an economy for sustainment not of rapid growth or industry. Keep what you have or try and make a decent living. The population is only soaring, immigration is at its limit. I hate to say it but there won't be a turn around. Remember life as a kid (depending on how old you are) 16-20+ year olds working at gas stations, mowing lawns, working jobs that require no skill only so that they could pay their expenses. Now take a look

When my brother graduated college years ago he started working in a hardware store until he could find something better related to his major. I started at rock bottom entry level salary just to get in the door and that was 21 years ago. Often times the person willing to take the lowest salary will get the position, skills don't have all that much to do with it at that point. But after a year or 2 you will be more marketable with the experience and the new knowledge of specific tools. And companies don't want to have to rehire and retrain people so they want someone who they think will stay with the company for several years at least.

THIS! Same boat as many of you...graduated just in time for everything to tank. I have been doing side jobs, and taking BS jobs for a while, tomorrow I start a new one...Unfortunately that piece of paper we worked so hard for means very little right now.

College is overrated IMO

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I agree

The problem isn't college, the problem is people who chose to major in a profession which doesn't have a high demand in the current market. Major in any sort of technologically advanced degree and doors fly open.

It's a society that says "GO TO COLLEGE" like that's ALWAYS the thing to do when you graduate high school. Not the case. There are a lot of people that go to college that should not be there- it just gives them a ton of debt and an opportunity cost hit. Society places value on the piece of paper even if it's completely not applicable to the situation- which is flat wrong IMO. If I am hiring you as a market research analyst I don't want to see a zoology degree.

I know plenty of people that went to college, graduated, and don't use the degree they payed out the ass for. Some of them are even going back to school for something else! That screams "I was not ready to go at first". Or they go for an easy degree with a lot of subjective coursework and a lot of other students and then wonder why nobody values their degree.

If you go for CS, Math, Engineering, Bio, Economics, etc then you are "playing a different sport" as far as college goes, IMO.

I do agree that not everyone is fit for college, I also believe that we do put emphasis on the degree, even when it is not entirely applicable to your job. When you are applying for a job, and they simply want to see "a degree", they are just looking to see if you have motivation, determination, and are at least somewhat intelligent. It's kind of like an adult's eagle scout award.

It pisses me off that its looked down upon for someone not to go to college. Like anyone who doesnt go is an idiot. I wish I could have been around during the days when the majority of the population could make a living with a high school education. I like being in school and learning things but it seems like even college now is a huge gamble in every field. Risk $100,000 more or less on a career

Try applying to NSA or the CIA without one. Tell me how it works out.

Edit* I'll also throw in DIA. FBI and DEA more or less too, although it might be easier to get into FBI/DEA without a degree if you have SF experience in the military.

Cheers,

He didn't say necessary. He said it's overrated. That is a subtle yet important difference. I contend in many cases it is both necessary and overrated.

especially Mechanical Engineering ;)

To be fair Commie, not everyone here wants to work for the NSA/CIA.
You also cant have a degree in zoology to work for the CIA either. Im pretty sure it would have to be somewhat focused, as well as having some knowledge of foreign affairs.

I agree not everyone wants to work for the defense sector, and I did not mean to imply that. I just stated it as an example, because that's the industry I know best, at the moment.

Some people want to have better possibilities than unloading packages for the UPS, or working in Shop rite, so they go to college. It opens up a door to just apply to some other place. Mere application does not guarantee success though. Now, before some smart ass decided to fail at reading, I'm not saying that a degree is necessary to amount to something, but it certainly HELPS, by opening up certain doors. Hell, you need a 4 year degree to apply at target to be an assistant manager. If you can have 25 years of experience and no degree, you will NOT be considered. That 25 year experience will get you 8.50 an hour right about now, if you're lucky to be hired.

As far as zoology goes, you're wrong - to a degree. There are some jobs within those agencies that do NOT care what your degree is in, but they will want one anyways. So yea, you can major in Music, and still work there. You just need a skill that's valuable, language for example.

IMO a college education is never a waste as long as you take it seriously. It may not always be necessary, but it will never hold you back.

I used to be under the impression that when you graduate college you should have a good understanding of your particular topic of study.

Now that I interview and hire people, I have noticed that the degree means you can apply yourself to learn something- it means very little (in most cases) as far as depth of knowledge and skill. We have to re-train everybody new who comes in to our company, even if they have a degree in the segment they are hired for.

That is your "Epic Fail".

Do you need it to get in the door of a lot of places? Yeah! Do you need it to land the job? Sure. Is it more than an admission ticket in a lot of cases? Nope.
Do you need it to earn a good living? Also no. Does it help? Yeah. But not as much as your Bursar's office would lead you to believe.