that person is being stupid. And 55 in a 35 is reckless.

I'll give you this, you do work very hard to justify your actions. The 'other people are doing it' argument is just as weak now as it was when you are 10, but you are more persuasive than a 10 year old.

I do not completely understand what you are trying to say. But I'll reply anyway.

I have driven all of the highways you are talking about many times. All can be bad but not awful. Try Rt 78 between Clinton NJ and Easton PA. Up and down mountains with many overloaded tractor trailers doing 80+ on uneven pavement. IMO that's the most dangerous with little competition. But everybody who drives it knows what it's like and understands what's going on. I do not know any public road in NJ where having a number of cars in a pack doing 100+ at the same time is the norm.

http://www.app.com/article/20100622/...-racing-deaths

For the idiots that street race, its not only your life you put on the line....

That article was not about street racing, it was about reckless driving.

Its being argued that they were street racing, and their actions resulted in the deaths of those random kids.

I think they had been officially "racing" earlier... anyway, it was two guys being idiots in traffic... IMO that gets clumped in with "street racing"...

well they wasn't charge with "street racing"

this is reckless driving. the main topic here was there was someone racing and died we know that for a fact. these guys could have just be traveling at excessive speeds.

i know people here been at a light, took off and had someone try to past or fellow them i don't call that racing

You ever see the video of the guy crossing a street at a crosswalk and a SUV runs the redlight and runs him over while he is walking? Guess that guy was street racing!! How about the car a couple weeks ago on 76 that got run over by a semi truck? Guess that truck was street racing also!!

I hit it from a redlight last night!! Guess I am an idiot as well!!

wow your still arguing this???? ANYTHING you do there is an assumed risk. the difference is whether that risk can be reduced by not acting stupidly.


lets say theres a 50/50 shot of you getting in an accident while driving. now lets say someone else gets on that road and has the same 50/50 shot but theyre street racing and driving like an idiot. now their 50/50 shot gets increased to say 75/25 at the same time inadvertently raising your assumed risk. is it fair to the person thats driving normally to have their assumed risk factor raised because of some idiot having ''fun???''

Really?
You should stop! It seems everyone can see it but you.

as much as i hate to say it...i agree with nasty

its how insurance works pretty much.


take the assumed risk of everyone, add on the assumed risk based upon age, location of the vehicle where its parked, record of the person driving the car, percentage of said vehicles that have been wrecked already, plus the risk factor of the said options of the car in question.


plus a bunch of other jazz

Stop what? Going through 1st gear hard with Traction control on? Okay I will get right on that!!

Now lets say you have a 50/50 chance of getting into a accident. You follow the speed limits and the law to the T. Now there is another driver that does 10 over the speed limit and doesnt use there turn signals!! Now there 50/50 shot gets increased to how much now? Like you said ANYTHING you do there is an assumed risk. the difference is whether that risk can be reduced by not acting stupidly. Do you think speeding is stupid? Do you think not using signals is stupid?


Whats the most Dangerous thing you do in life everyday? For me its driving and its not because of street racing. Its because there are 8 million people living in the Philly Metro area and like 16 million living in the NYC Metro Area!! Lots of different driving skills on the road at the same time.

I bet you that almost everyone on this board does over the speed limit wether it be 5mph or 20mph over! I also bet that if everyone starts doing the speed limit it would lower there risk of getting into a accident and seriously injuring someone. Will people do this? No.

Street Racing is illegal and most of you all say the people who street race are idiots and what not. Speeding is also illegal but yet people seem to not care about that!! I bet more people get killed from Speeding accidents each year then from Street racing accidents!!

Why dont people post articles of Speeding accidents? They are way more common and Since no one on this board street races or ever street raced, would be more benificial in perhaps getting people to slow down!!

ARE YOU SERIOUS?

There are WAY more people speeding than there are street racing. The numbers are astronomically different. That's exactly why the numbers are the way they are. It's because of a large population size. Street racing gets press because it's typically a catastropic accident with flips, fire, swerving, and recklessness coupled with excessive speeding and an arrogance regarding control of a vehicle.

Doing a steady 80 in a 65 is one thing, but the kinetics dynamics of a car racing down the highway are very different. Different enough to make street racing more dangerous then speeding since there are so many more variables in the equation.

So its OK to speed because everyone is doing it?

Your risk factor for a accident goes up every mph above the posted Speed limit! I agree with you on how Street Racing is more dangerous then just speeding but since there are so many people that speed and there are so many more accidents because of people doing 10-15 mph over the speed limit I think you are more likely to get hit by a person who is just speeding and cant stop in time then to get hit by 2 cars that are racing.

I got into 3 accidents in my life. 2 of them I was on the recieving side because the car behind me could not stop in time and I got my front bumper knocked off by a speeding car that ran a red light. The other accident was my fault because I couldnt stop in time and ran into the back of a Elantra on base. MY last accident was 2002. 2 of those accidents had to do with speeding and not able to stop in time, the other was someone in rush and ran a red light. Luckly all the accidents happend on roads with a 45mph speed limit.

Yes Street racing accidents usually ends in a death of some sort but there are hundreds of speeding accidents each day I bet that end in a death also!! Both also include innocent people most of the time!

One more question. Have you ever raced your car on the street??

Dude why do you end every sentence with "!"?

So going 50mph in a 40 zone causes accidents? STUPIDITY causes accidents, horrible drivers causes accidents. I'm sure we've all street raced before, no one is disputing that but it's like you're trying to justify it because innocent people are hurt from regular car accidents.

I would love to see the % of deaths from "street racing" accidents and regular every day accidents....I bet you wouldn't like the answer. Comparing street racing to people going 10-15 over the speed limit is ridiculous(no offense)

People cause accidents and people cause street racing accidents. Your point? More people get hurt and killed each year by regular accidents which are moslty caused by going to fast and not able to stop in time, or not using signals wether it be your horrible driving or you following to close which is still a persons fault. Speed Limits are there for a reason. If you obey the law by not street racing then why defy it by speeding? You think its safer to speed then to do the speed limit?

I would also like to see how many people dye because of speeding accidents per day vrs how many people dye from street racing accidents per day..

http://www.wiltonlibrary.org/blogs/t...ds/tie-dye.jpg

dye... heh...

So just so we're on the same page here....

Doing 10-15mph over is just as dangerous, just as bad as street racing which could easily reach speeds of 100+.....usually on non-highway roads....one is NOT the same as the other. It's almost like some wacko Christians saying one sin is no worse than the other(so stealing a piece of bread is on the same level as murder).

So let me throw this past you. If you're on the AC Expressway and the flow of traffic is going 75mph, and you're doing 55mph in the right lane...who is more dangerous, the pack of cars or the guy doing 55? Take the speed limit out of the equation for a second and answer.

I dont know about you but I dont worry about if someone is going to run in to me today because of them street racing. What I worry about is if a person is going to cut me off because I am going to slow and the person wants to get around me or if the car behind me is going to stop in time When I brake or if this guy next to me sees me and doesnt try to make a lane change into me.

You're listing a million different scenarios, not all of which involve speeding.

Also, if you're the slow guy in the right lane(not saying you drive like that) then YOU'RE the hazard, YOU'RE the one causing a possible accident.

(again just saying you as a term, not saying you personally drive like that)

How many people dye each day because of typical accidents which includes speeding?

No. Doing over 100mph street racing or just hauling ass is way more dangerous but just like I said before. Every MPH over the speed limit increases your risk of getting into a accident. The faster you go the more at risk you become.

How can you say take the speed limit out of the equation? So if there is no speed limit then who cares if you are doing 75mph or 100mph? The guy doing 55mph in the RIGHT lane is right were he needs to stay. That person becomes a threat if they are in the left lane doing 20mph less then everyone else. So to answer your question. I would say the people doing 75mph. If something happens to a car in the pack like a tire blow out or a deer run in the street then the cars going faster have a less chance of being able to stop in time or have a bigger chance of loosing control of the car when you try to swerve.


Now let me ask you a question. Would there be less accidents in the USA if everyone was obeying the speed limits?

dye != die.


Carry on with the sillyness.

People trying to go around me pretty much means they are speeding faster then me.

So you would rather have the slow car drive in the left lane then the right lane ??

I dont spell to good!!

How the hell do you have almost 1,000,000 posts?