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Most people that I knew in Penn State had the same opinion of all of them, and it was along the lines of "whatever floats your boat". Surely, that is not everyones opinion, but we don't burn gays, like the nazis burned jews, we don't lynch them like KKK did with blacks. A lot of them separate themselves from us and pretend that ALL of us hate them. Hell, a society gives a big advantage to a gay student when it comes to financial matters and school. You try having a scholarship for a white hetero dude.. Quote:
P.S. When I said humorous I didn't actually sit here an laugh at the guy. It was more along with lines of "Um..dude you killed yourself over that? You dummy" <- I put it in the nicer language for the mods. Another P.S. My best friend once told me this "You know what's a bad day around where we're from? You've lost your cell, and you're stuck home on a friday night with nothing to do. You know what's a bad day around here? You're 10, your parents were killed, you have no home and no where to go, and you have not had a proper meal in over a week". I can give you a few more examples of what's way worse then "being gay". Hell, I knew a war vet once, he was paralyzed from the neck down, and lived like that for 10+ years, I thought it was miserable existence, but he WANTED to go on. You want me to draw a comparison between this vets hard life and the life of a guy thought had it tough and had to off himself, because 3 people found out he was gay? There are tons of other things that are way worse out there. But I agree, his stupidity is unfortunate for his family. |
Some people have stronger wills. I also think suicide only hurts the family and friends, but I would rather see people like this young man, who had a pretty decent life to that point, have support to go to.
Our generation and for the most part, people up here dont care about sexual preference, but America as a whole has a lot of hate for homosexuals. Some compare gay sex to terrorism. Its not like youre black or asian, where you cant hide it. These guys and gals have to hide something that they cannot control, and are constantly worried about what people will do or say about them. |
i feel bad for the kid and for his family. i think that what his roommate did was stupid and wrong. I think the whole thing is unfortunate and there is nothing funny about it.
However, I personally think that suicide is the cowards way out. it the easy way out for you. it puts a huge burden on your family though, they will blame themselves and hold themselves responsible. and how about for the people who have to find them or deal with the body. suicide is for cowards and i forgot who said it on this forum but whoever said they were right, if you think it takes balls to willingly kill yourself it takes 10 times more to keep on living |
just wanna say that i dont find anything humorous about that
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but the one kid survived and when they interviewed him... he said he changed is mind the instant it was too late to turn back.. |
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As a side question, earlies last year there was a billionaire who offed himself because he lost his billionaire status and now only had several hundred million dollars left in his bank account, he lost something like 80% of this fortune but was still probably in the top 5% of the world when it comes to money rankings. He didn't think he could go on anymore, so he found the "courage/balls" to off himself.. Am I suppose to be feeling bad for him too? And as I said before, I feel bad for this kids family, but he,or anyone who kills themselves, will never have any pity from me. But on the bright side, he didn't shoot up a school or anything like that, so way to go! |
you missed my point...however im no good at internet debate so ill just leave it as "i dont think its funny"
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There were a ton of news stations here today, including CBS and MTV. I saw the commercial on MTV, with "Perez Hilton" talking about how this was hate against homosexuals and led to his suicide.
Excuse me? There's much more to this story. Now the media is involved, and you know that everything is going to get only more distorted and spun in a different direction. Cue new MTV special on bullying/homosexuality/other-high-ratings-opportunity. (Anyone remember the "sexting" special last year? Yeah, those girls went to high school with 3 of my roommates. About 15% of what aired was factual. TV left a ton of details out in order to make their special work. The media are wolves that look for opportunity. Here we go again.) Quote:
To WANT to have someone ruin SOMEONE ELSE'S lives is ridiculous. That is, to ruin these two kids' lives is ridiculous. Forever, they'll have this on their consciences--You don't forget people around you who die, especially not ones who you may have been their last contact before they died. One person's life is already f'ed, his family's is affected forever, these two kids' are affected forever--their education and reputations are blemished, that's putting it lightly. Why try to find fine print in the laws to f*** their lives up more? I'm not defending their actions, rather, I'm defending their futures. At this point, don't you think community service and letting them act on their own recognizance would be more rational and meaningful than just throwing them in a slammer & hitting them with hundreds of fines & penalties? Their actions were likely meant to ruin someone's night/week/semester. You're talking about *consciously and directly* ruining two people's *lives* -- In this case, they're not asking to be pushed off a bridge, but you've got your hands on their backs and are trying to thrust them off. My 2-cents. |
Sorry Mike, it's a touchy subject with me. I have friends from all walks of life and lifestyles and it's sad watching kids and even full blown adults struggle with that subject. If the kid had issues already it furthers my position. They saw an easy target, a loner, a kid with issues, a kid that wouldn't fight back. Would they have done that "prank" on a 6'5'' 250# football player who was popular? No. They were predators and picked on a kid who was supposedly down and out.
Yes, the kid chose to end his life, he chose to jump off that bridge but lets look at the factors that led up to him making that decision. Lets look at the final straw. The fact is we don't know if he was seeking help, we don't know if he was seeking counseling. It's a little absurd that these two jerk-offs should be absolved of any responsibility for this because the kid already had issues. So you think this prank was just to ruin the kids night or weekend? Dude, c'mon. This was planned out and was meant to be completely malicious IMO. A prank is drawing on someone that passed out from being drunk, putting shaving cream in their hand and tickling their face....video taping someone having a sexual encounter with another male then streaming it to the internet is NOT just a prank. Again that's just my opinion. I hope their mommy and daddies have a ton of money because there's going to be a huge civil suit coming too. Everyone is responsible for their actions and those actions have consequences. Maybe my stand on what their punishment should be is a bit harsh, maybe I AM speaking due to emotion but I just can't spin it to make what they did OK or even just a "little" bad. These kids did something huge and their actions led to something bigger, regardless if this other kid had issues or not. |
1. i'm sure if you asked both of the kids they would honestly say they didnt intend to push him to kill himself. not many people do. and i'm sure if they did it, and he wasnt gay, this wouldn't be such a big story.
2. like a few others have said, i believe he was selfish in taking his life. life goes on, and people have had, and have worse situations than he had. now his parents and family have to live with it. its Rutgers, i know theres at least one gay club, and many counselors to talk to 3. the 2 kid's that did it, well i suppose their parents should have taught them when enough is enough. as for the victim's parents? i think that they are somewhat at fault too. Parents are supposed to teach us and prepare us for the world, this includes having a fairly strong will, a tough hide (hyde?) because its a rough world. also they apparently didnt provide an environment where he could tell them that he was gay. now i know its not always easy to tell parents things, i've been there. 4. i dont believe we should try to ruin these kid's life. i love how we live in a largely Christian culture and yet everyone wants to damn another for mistakes in their lives. They have a death on their conscious, along with some community service or having to go to a gay club for an amount of time i believe that would be enough. Someone mentioned how something similar happened and the bully was one of the people crying the most. remorse counts for nothing? " One good deed is not enough to redeem a man of a lifetime of wickedness." "Though it seems enough to condemn him." when everyone wants to blame the monster, i'd rather look to Frankenstein and the village people for creating one |
lol, the parents of the kid that jumped off of the bridge are partly responsible? :rofl: Community service is enough? Wow.
Everyone has their opinions but I just don't understand how people would be OK with a simple slap on the wrist. We may be a predominately Christian nation but that still doesn't avoid proper punishment. To understand Christianity you need to know the Old Testament too(IMO) and well...God wasn't too nice back then lol. Just to play Devil's advocate here...how do we know what's on their mind/conscious? They haven't been interviewed to my knowledge. They may only be remorseful because they got caught. Remember they tried doing this twice to the kid. Maybe ruining their lives may be a bit harsh on my part and I'll admit that. However a simple slap on the wrist involving community service and talking to some gay group is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too minor. They could face up to 5yrs in jail, they BETTER see some of that. |
whether a person turns out great, has a great job, great life, or whether they become a murderer, you dont believe the parents have any responsibility, or role in the way they turned out?
edit: and frankly the 5 year jail sentence would be sufficient. my fault on not being clear, by ruining their lives i meant kicking them out of college AND not allowing them to enter in any other one, and well pretty much blacklisting them from doing anything in their life |
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Maybe it's for the reasons like these why some schools don't allow hugs anymore.. |
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And the two morons should have known something like their prank could backfire and end up burning them. Look at what happened to the Star Wars kid. I thought kids in college were supposed to know everything? |
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Tsar, covering some guy in condoms is nowhere near the magnitude of someone who is a closeted gay being taped having sex with another male then having it thrown on the internet....nowhere near the same. You're stuck on this being a prank...and maybe that's where we differ....this wasn't a prank IMO...this was flat out being malicious. |
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People can be "pushed" over the edge by different number of circumstance, do we prosecute everyone who does such action? |
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"People can be "pushed" over the edge by different number of circumstance, do we prosecute everyone who does such action?" that i agree, i mean we all see it everyday, how quickly people get pissed at the smallest things. i know those of us that work in retail have seen it. people flip out because of a price or a coupon not able to apply to a product. road rage is another example |
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And there was no suicide note left behind or anything. In regards to his death we will never know the full story behind it, but the two kids are not responsible for tyler's actions. |
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There have been a couple of posts here talking about how the kid had no friends and was a loner....what better target. It's probably safe to assume they knew this, they knew he wasn't all there and still did this anyway just to push that line even harder. We're going to agree to disagree on this being just a prank. I don't think it was, I look at it as being something bigger. Quote:
No amount of parenting can prepare you for that. |
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Regardless if people think they're in some way responsible for his death they still broke some big laws and should be punished. |
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yeah something like a prank is pretty much relative (minus the extremes) like speed, height, a long distance to run. i know, in the way of major embarrassment and not knowing what to do, i've been there. obviously this kid was unstable, if it wasn't these kids that pushed him over the edge, it would have been something else. and on a side note, a few days or week before he jumped, he posted on a forum or something mentioning the matter, idk if anyone here has seen it |
Nah I didn't see that.
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http://www.aolnews.com/nation/articl..._lnk3%7C174579 not much but its something |
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