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Stevoone 12-06-2012 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Z28 Heritage (Post 861781)
Good old Northstar hating haha its a great motor but with piss poor problems.

I don't mind working on them anymore. Could be worse, I'd work on Northstars all day if I could avoid seeing another Catera.

Grifter 12-06-2012 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by V (Post 861749)
was that the early cadillac 3.6 with bad timing chain?

Yup. Those were from a 2005 STS with a broken chain. I must of jinxed myself cause I just got a 2012 CTS Coupe with no compression in cylinder 4...

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Originally Posted by Stevoone (Post 861855)
I don't mind working on them anymore. Could be worse, I'd work on Northstars all day if I could avoid seeing another Catera.

Amen. I have a Catera staring at me right now that is kicking my ass.

LTb1ow 12-06-2012 10:20 PM

dat soot
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...cture010-1.jpg
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...cture012-2.jpg

Z28 Heritage 12-07-2012 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Stevoone (Post 861855)
I don't mind working on them anymore. Could be worse, I'd work on Northstars all day if I could avoid seeing another Catera.

I hate Catera's! That's why i went the Northstar route. Great motor good power and i love the sound of em on WOT.

sweetbmxrider 12-07-2012 07:16 AM

Cateras :shudder:

Jersey Mike 12-07-2012 07:29 AM

While on the subject of Catera's: The first generation "Catera Touring Sedan" wasn't D.I., IIRC... just a 2.8L & 3.6L V6s with VVT. I know the 3.2L was the Opel motor, and had it's quirks, but how how do you mechanics & techs feel about the 2.8 & 3.6 VVT motors in 04-07 CTSes?

MyFirstZ 12-07-2012 08:45 AM

What car is that LTblow?

LTb1ow 12-07-2012 08:48 AM

EGR valve off a Duramax

WildBillyT 12-07-2012 08:50 AM

Regret rolling coal now?

The_Bishop 12-07-2012 08:53 AM

Choked up diesel junker, I see no problem.







:moon:


:kneeslap:

LTb1ow 12-07-2012 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by WildBillyT (Post 861969)
Regret rolling coal now?

Not my truck and AFAIK that was off a high mileage, 300k+ stock motor. EGR systems combined with a PCV system FTL.

Grifter 12-07-2012 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jersey Mike (Post 861957)
While on the subject of Catera's: The first generation "Catera Touring Sedan" wasn't D.I., IIRC... just a 2.8L & 3.6L V6s with VVT. I know the 3.2L was the Opel motor, and had it's quirks, but how how do you mechanics & techs feel about the 2.8 & 3.6 VVT motors in 04-07 CTSes?

They didn't start DI until recently, last 4-5 years. No Catera had DI, just 2.8 and 3.2's.

I'll work on new(new to me is 04-up) CTS's all day.

Jersey Mike 12-07-2012 10:11 AM

Good to hear! Considering getting back into a 1st gen V6 CTS as a replacement DD. I think outside of timing chain issues/maintenance, the 3.6L was pretty safe. The 3.2L had CPS-related no start nightmares, but I haven't heard much about the 2.8L as far as reliability. I don't want to get this derailed (because those pictures MyFirstZ posted are absurd, and I'm hoping he'll follow up after the new head is installed), but have you heard of, or experienced any reoccurring issues with those cars? If so, I'd like to take this to PMs when you have time.

BonzoHansen 12-07-2012 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by LTb1ow (Post 861976)
Not my truck and AFAIK that was off a high mileage, 300k+ stock motor. EGR systems combined with a PCV system FTL.

yes terrible for 300,000 miles lol

Grifter 12-07-2012 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jersey Mike (Post 861982)
If so, I'd like to take this to PMs when you have time.

PM sent.

Update on the Bimmer?

MyFirstZ 12-07-2012 04:47 PM

Finished already. Car runs like a top. Think the customer picked up today. Was done yesterday morning.

Just wanted to show the valves and head. All the valve train was swapped over to a brand new stock head. Didn't think it was picture worthy lol sorry

Mezzy 12-15-2012 04:36 AM

Nice

MyFirstZ 12-15-2012 08:18 AM

Again fuel treatment will not work on valves like this.

Its direct injection. The fuel is squirt right into the combustion chamber instead of the intake port so the valves will not see any fuel or cleaner.

Stevoone 12-15-2012 08:46 AM

Higher octane fuel does not increase power or reduce the amount of carbon buildup. The higher octane rating is related to the fuels ability to avoid predetination in higher performance or forced induction engines. If the manufacturer of your car recommends regular, running premium will offer no benefit. However if you run regular in a car recommended to run on premium you could cause issues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

When I had my 04 Ram (mid grade fuel was recommended) the owners manual actually said use of premium fuel is not necessary and continued use may cause adverse affects to performance and mileage.

12secondv6 12-15-2012 08:55 AM

A simple nitrous system would clear that carbon build up nicely :)

MyFirstZ 12-15-2012 09:25 AM

I did the next best thing. Replace the head lol

sweetbmxrider 12-15-2012 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Stevoone (Post 863362)
Higher octane fuel does not increase power or reduce the amount of carbon buildup. The higher octane rating is related to the fuels ability to avoid predetination in higher performance or forced induction engines. If the manufacturer of your car recommends regular, running premium will offer no benefit. However if you run regular in a car recommended to run on premium you could cause issues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

When I had my 04 Ram (mid grade fuel was recommended) the owners manual actually said use of premium fuel is not necessary and continued use may cause adverse affects to performance and mileage.

I think that most premium fuels have a little more detergent in them so that could probably help the slightest bit in carbon build up. The fact that this is a direct injection engine makes his post quite funny though :kneeslap:

NJ Torque 12-15-2012 10:29 AM

Wow, you guys get the tough jobs... we would just R&R a new longblock for anything like this...

Stevoone 12-15-2012 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider (Post 863365)
The fact that this is a direct injection engine makes his post quite funny though :kneeslap:

Not sure if that was directed at my post or at Mezzy. Earlier in the thread I also noted that there is no fuel flow past the valves on a DI engine so conventional fuel system treatments are useless in DI applications for valve deposits. My last post was just a response to Mezzy's comment about only running premium grade fuels.

MyFirstZ 12-15-2012 11:40 AM

I think it was directed at mezzy.

My diagnosis for the head actually had nothing to do with the carbon build up. This was just something I knew was going to be resolved as well.

That being said it was not warranty. After replacement they authorized good will but regardless the car did not need a long block. Leak down and compression where both ok.


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