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sweetbmxrider 04-15-2014 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 1320B4U (Post 903616)
Then as a consumer you would sue the company of the fake 'dot' approved taillights b/c they mislead the consumer/dubious business practices. If it is stamped w/dot and there is paperwork stating this (directions stamped w/dot approval) this would hold up in court. In getting dot approval there should be rigorous tests done to be certified which are available in writing for that specific unit, although you winning that case will be directly related to how much $ you have on fighting this to the end.

Either way if you have something that isn't 100% stock on a vehicle be prepared to potentially be harassed. Its just an opportunity for law enforcement to pull you over. Being polite and courteous goes a long way when talking to the cop.
Should there be rigorous tests etc? Yes. Is there? No.

Mike 04-15-2014 07:55 AM
There is usually a nice "not for street use" somewhere on/in the packaging.

sweetbmxrider 04-15-2014 08:28 AM
You mean like my Hoosier DOT drag radials?

WildBillyT 04-15-2014 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider (Post 903615)
So if I make tail lights for my car and put a raised DOT stamp on it, everything is cool? Please, there is no mountain of cases. If someone rear ends me in my camaro with oem tail lights that I tinted, I am ****ed. Anyone can manufacture anything with a DOT marking on them. Its in good faith that it actually does meet DOT criteria. A good blood sucking team of lawyers will destroy you. If the stuff does meet the criteria, then yes you are ok. Assuming everything you buy is DOT approved is not in your best interest.
Nailed it. :nod:

LTb1ow 04-15-2014 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider (Post 903621)
You mean like my Hoosier DOT drag radials?
DOT approval for racing classes != DOT approval for highway use.

Says right on the disclaimer.

sweetbmxrider 04-15-2014 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by LTb1ow (Post 903623)
DOT approval for racing classes != DOT approval for highway use.

Says right on the disclaimer.
Right but it says DOT approved which means its for highway use. Then there are tires that would be DOT approved but wouldn't meet the minimum tread depth or barely would when new. Please, we all know we aren't complying with jack so don't act like you are. That's been my point. That and you are effed if something happens and someone has a good lawyer(s) or insurance.

LTb1ow 04-15-2014 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider (Post 903624)
Right but it says DOT approved which means its for highway use. Then there are tires that would be DOT approved but wouldn't meet the minimum tread depth or barely would when new. Please, we all know we aren't complying with jack so don't act like you are. That's been my point. That and you are effed if something happens and someone has a good lawyer(s) or insurance.
...wut...

It means its DOT approved for class racing.

Right from their site..

"WARNING: DOT labeled Hoosier Racing Tires meet Department Of Transportation requirements for marking and performance only and are NOT INTENDED FOR HIGHWAY USE. It is unsafe to operate any Hoosier Racing Tire including DOT tires on public roads. The prohibited use of Hoosier Racing Tires on public roadways may result in loss of traction, unexpected loss of vehicle control, or sudden loss of tire pressure, resulting in a vehicle crash and possible injury or death. "

:bertstare:

sweetbmxrider 04-15-2014 10:20 AM
Right, DOT approved but not for the highway. So if you didn't seek out this info, you wouldn't know. So what is stopping other companies from making other products with this same misconception?

LTb1ow 04-15-2014 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider (Post 903626)
Right, DOT approved but not for the highway. So if you didn't seek out this info, you wouldn't know. So what is stopping other companies from making other products with this same misconception?
Nothing, but it is up to the consumer to understand the small print.

Personal responsibility, eh?

sweetbmxrider 04-15-2014 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by LTb1ow (Post 903627)
Nothing, but it is up to the consumer to understand the small print.

Personal responsibility, eh?
Yes, unlike most of the misinformation in this thread. And that personal responsibility can turn into a huge lawsuit that your insurance company won't cover or will exceed your policy limits which then puts the rest on you. That is the small grasp I have on the subject. So as I have said, DOT is just 3 raised letters that mean nothing.

LTb1ow 04-15-2014 11:33 AM
Would be curious if having an accident with a car with a bar in it would negate insurance covering any injuries received.

Can insurance companies do such things?

sweetbmxrider 04-15-2014 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by LTb1ow (Post 903631)
Would be curious if having an accident with a car with a bar in it would negate insurance covering any injuries received.

Can insurance companies do such things?
You give them any reason to deny a claim so they can save a buck and they will fully exploit it. There is more to it but I certainly wouldn't bank on things being in your favor.

WildBillyT 04-15-2014 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by LTb1ow (Post 903631)
Would be curious if having an accident with a car with a bar in it would negate insurance covering any injuries received.

Can insurance companies do such things?
Yes. Same with injuries using a 5 pt on the street.

BonzoHansen 04-15-2014 02:28 PM
there are DOI laws that might stop them from denying a claim in such circumstances, but it could lead to policy cancellation. however I am not well versed in auto laws.

1994lt1 04-15-2014 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider (Post 903630)
...So as I have said, DOT is just 3 raised letters that mean nothing.
I'm pretty sure they mean Department Of Transportation.

I for one think the police are doing an excellent job and should get a raise.

WildBillyT 04-15-2014 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 1994lt1 (Post 903638)
I'm pretty sure they mean Department Of Transportation.

I for one think the police are doing an excellent job and should get a raise.
I believe he means in a legal sense. You can mark anything with a DOT stamp, that doesn't make it legal. The "good" knockoff/aftermarket companies in Taiwan and China have been known to duplicate products right down to markings and logos. As an example, ungraded bolts with a "line and triangle logo" on them have been known to hit the market. :bertstare:

1994lt1 04-15-2014 05:16 PM
My bad the entire post was sarcastic. Anyway as a LEO we do deal with these issues frequently, especially with the Honda crowd. They think because the eBay listing stated "50 State Legal" and "DOT" approved, that they are good to go. This isn't true when things start changing like color of lenses, volumes of exhausts, brightness of lights etc. One thing I haven't bothered with yet is drag radials, as I would be quite hypocritical, however I can see it becoming an issue in an accident. 50 state legal is so broad, especially when considering local ordinances as well.

NJSPEEDER 04-16-2014 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider (Post 903615)
So if I make tail lights for my car and put a raised DOT stamp on it, everything is cool? Please, there is no mountain of cases. If someone rear ends me in my camaro with oem tail lights that I tinted, I am ****ed. Anyone can manufacture anything with a DOT marking on them. Its in good faith that it actually does meet DOT criteria. A good blood sucking team of lawyers will destroy you. If the stuff does meet the criteria, then yes you are ok. Assuming everything you buy is DOT approved is not in your best interest.
If you alter a part then you are assuming the liability and there are lots of cases that support the rights of owners putting DOT approved parts on their car. Like GI Joe taught us as kids "Knowledge is power!"

You can search the owners bill of rights or just poke around the SEMA site for information if you are still struggling to understand.

-Tim

Mike 04-16-2014 08:44 AM
Adam isn't struggling to understand anything. He is repeatedly pointing out that there are tons of products out there with "DOT" stamped on them that haven't undergone any testing or received any certifications. This is not his opinion. This is fact.

If you use these parts you are liable. Period. If you use aftermarket parts that have undergone testing and were legitimatly awarded their "DOT" markings then yes you have a leg to stand on if a situation arises.

Dudbird113 04-16-2014 07:21 PM
Cops or at least state troopers could care less about qtps on thr street, had at least a dozen right behind me n next to me. Even had them look my car over when my opti **** out, said nice car n left.

Mike 04-16-2014 08:08 PM
Because most people can tell what kind of tire you have while rolling along behind or alongside you......

Situation could change if there's an accident. Which is what everyone has been talking about.

greenformula92 04-17-2014 10:50 AM
so in a nutshell don't buy anything on ebay cause its not DOT approved and empty your wallet for something thats legit.....but I like saving money on things so to hell with that lol. It also depends a little bit on how you do things. don't tint your tail lights so they are black as night. just enough to darken them and swap out to LED bright lights. this will help ease any harrassment from LE. Its become quite obvious that most of us have at least one thing illegal on all of our cars.

Mike 04-17-2014 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by greenformula92 (Post 903718)
so in a nutshell don't buy anything on ebay cause its not DOT approved and empty your wallet for something thats legit.....but I like saving money on things so to hell with that lol. It also depends a little bit on how you do things. don't tint your tail lights so they are black as night. just enough to darken them and swap out to LED bright lights. this will help ease any harrassment from LE.Its become quite obvious that all of us have at least one thing illegal on all of our cars.
False for me

greenformula92 04-17-2014 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 903720)
False for me
alright I fixed it. I just assumed and we all know what happens when we do that :lol:

1994lt1 04-17-2014 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by greenformula92 (Post 903718)
Its become quite obvious that most of us have at least one thing illegal on all of our cars.
Its a proven fact that MOST brand new cars that pull off the lot are subject to a violation (usually license plate frames). It's not hard to write someone for something, anything, or stop them. It comes down to discretion with the officers. As a car guy I let a lot of things slide because I cannot write or stop someone for modifications I have done or don't have a problem with. These guys in Jersey are probably in response to the high traffic of heavily modified cars, and the complaints from the citizens.


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