you lt1 guys cry about optisparks too much.

I replaced 3 in 40k miles that I owned that car. All were "OEM"....

Edit* Scratch that, two were, one wasn't. The one that wasn't lived the longest.

obviously installer error, lol

Non LT1 owners and or idiots who do own LT1s whine about them.

Obvisouly, 3 window motors were probably too! :lol:

Oh no, they suck.

You just like to bring up GM stuff so you think you get me upset.
You ar ethe one that is avoiding the issue of this thread, and that is that Toyota is not coming clean about the true problems.

I said yes, GM made mistakes. The saddle gas tanks were a problem in the trucks, no doubt.
What else is there to address? Optisparks? Not everyone's opti goes out, and not everyone has problems.
The fix on GM's part was the vented unit, and that seems to have fixed the majority of the problems.
As for the window motors, its more of a lack of quality issue then a saftey issue, or a recall issue. Quality problems plagued GM over the 80's and 90's, and thats a fact.
If you want to talk about major engine problems by GM, why not bring in the Spider injector systems of the Vortec 4.3 and 5.7?
You could seroiusly pull out the thousands and even millions of cars that should be recalled.
You just like to bring up the GM stuff because you drive a low-quality 90's GM vehicle. Sorry for you, but at least you arent going to go flying into a bus full of nuns, killing everyone with your bad window motor.

We replaced a lot of those spider setups in the trail blazers, lol

trailblazers? I think you mean s10 blazers.

whatever they were called, matters not

The new systems that GP Sorensen makes the spider into 6 or 8 injectors. Its a much better design then one injector and 6/8 tubes. Much better.

nice. at the time all we had was dealer parts.

Sometimes, but not this time. This time I was just not happy that I shelled out all that money.

I'll be the first one to admit, that I have no Idea what a TRUE problem is with the accelerator issue. I heard about it on TV, read some stuff on the internet, but no one that I know drives a toyota so I kind of don't really care, to be honest.

I saw tech's using zip ties in brand new Lexus's and I thought it was hilarious, and piss poor quality, at that. The zip ties didn't even match the interior. (white on black :lol: )

Quite frankly, I might dislike Toyota even more than you do, just not for the same reasons. I can't stand them for the fact that all their product is so... AVERAGE... buttery butter, so to speak. None of their cars are great, they are just "ehh". I can't stand mediocrity, therefor I can't stand Toyota.

Hey, that's like saying that not every gas pedal gets stuck, and fatalities are not at 100%. Bad argument, imo.




I used to drive it, I sold it for a pair of wheels :lol: Now I have a German car with a rattling sunroof... At least BMW is not being stingy about replacing the whole moon roof. I wonder if I brought my old car back to the dealer with a rattle, would they give me a new car? :rofl: <--- That was a joke.

This happened back in the summer of '09. I remember a thread on another forum of a family that died in a lexus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ippnz...layer_embedded



What's amusing is that I saw a commercial tonight during the NFC Championship game boasting Toyota reliability.

IIRC it was the 99 Cobra engine, it didnt make the power it claimed to, and i think thats the reason there were no 00 Cobras made, svt was to busy fixing the 99's

lol @ al getting all uppity over gm. big deal toyota screws up a few times in like 40 years....tsar's point is that Gm has been continuously and knowingly screwing over the American public FOR the last 40 years.



cant turn a whore into a housewife, which is why its hard for so many to believe that the ''new gm'' will do anything but what theyve done for so many years.

Wow. Just wow. That's a hell of a claim.

thats the problem here though... toyota has been around over 40 years... last i checked, accelerator pedals have been around that entire time... how is it, that you can randomly decide to redesign the wheel and **** up on your ENTIRE product line.

What does GM have to do with any of this? I definitely see the comparison between window motors and gas pedals...definitely /sarcasm

The fact is Toyota, the self-proclaimed kings of reliability, has ****ed up ROYALLY and should be hammered for this. What GM, Ford, Nissan, Kia or any other company does or has done in the past is completely irrelevant.

about as much as the gto has to do with "why the mustang succeeds" this is njfboa, you cant expect anyone here to stay on topic...

Untill you look at quality scores. No one could belive 30 years ago that GM would make a mistake. Now that's all people think.
toyotas track record is not as squeeky clean as people think.

Good point, lol

i'm pretty sure people have died indirectly due to opti's

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People on here like to pick fights and start ****. It doesn't have to make sense.
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I feel like you guys are starting with an incorrect notion that these car companies care about us. They care about profits. Of course a car company would rather cover something up then come clean about it. I don't think this accelerator nonsense is Toyota's fault or even because of it being unreliable. It is simply a lawyer saying, it will not be cheaper to admit fault. I find it difficult to believe any car maker acts with our interests in mind, and not profits. Even if they did, it probably is PR motivated.

And another thing, I am a car guy well before I am a GM fan or any other auto maker. I admit I am GM biased, but it will never be more than an influence on my car buying decision. I will always buy whatever car I feel is best for me for the money. Yeah, my next car probably won't be GM, but maybe it will. Who knows.

That's just my opinions and what I think of all this.