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SteveR 08-29-2008 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz (Post 481032)
it was put out no political posts so by me saying you have to be mature to understand the reason he picked a very good woman for the VP spot who BTW wont be an al gore in the closet, and she is just the thing he wanted to put him completely over the top - do i get badgered for my political view or no equal thinking allowed -- the nobamma crew mostly young and impressionable buy the drive buy media have a lot to learn before they think the likes of nobamma will get to be in the white house < now call me a racist its a badge i can wear but all the skinny dude can do is talk their is nothing behind the rhetoric -- jz

Explain why she's a good pick.

LTb1ow 08-29-2008 06:46 PM

She was in charge of Alaska's national guard.

johnjzjz 08-29-2008 07:00 PM

1-first off she is a mother of 5 eldest son on his way to irak she understands what it means to have a boy over their in harms way
2 - Alaska in the most environmentally conscious state in the union and she won the job by pointing out the corrupt stuff that had been going on by the Washington insiders
3- with in a few weeks and days you might hear she is a no nonsense person who gets the job done and is not looking to be patted on the back
4-having a non Washington insider like biden is for sure is a big plus with real Americans today away from the metros like NYC and LA i could go on but i think you should look for your self before you automatically point a blind finger

SteveR 08-29-2008 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz (Post 481039)

1-first off she is a mother of 5 eldest son on his way to irak she understands what it means to have a boy over their in harms way

2 - Alaska in the most environmentally conscious state in the union and she won the job by pointing out the corrupt stuff that had been going on by the Washington insiders

3- with in a few weeks and days you might hear she is a no nonsense person who gets the job done and is not looking to be patted on the back

4-having a non Washington insider like biden is for sure is a big plus with real Americans today away from the metros like NYC and LA i could go on but i think you should look for your self before you automatically point a blind finger

1. Biden was the father of four, his one child and wife killed in a car accident, and his son is also in the Army and is headed off to Iraq

2. Yet she is a strong supporter of the idea of turning Alaska into Linden, by digging the state up and drilling for oil, and is a supporter and voted for the largest natural gas pipeline system in North America in Alaska.

3. Gets the job done? lol What, in the year and a half shes actually had a job in major politics?

4. I have looked, and I study, evaluate, and listen. And I conclude that this is a sexist, insulting, superficial nomination that undermines the very integrity of both the office of the Vice President, and that of the President of the United States of America itself.

johnjzjz 08-29-2008 07:58 PM

and thats just your opinion based on the place you looked to get your info -- unfortunate for all of us the truth is swayed to the writers opinion and not necessarily really the truth as you and i would want -- jz

LS1Hawk 08-29-2008 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveR (Post 481041)
4. I have looked, and I study, evaluate, and listen. And I conclude that this is a sexist, insulting, superficial nomination that undermines the very integrity of both the office of the Vice President, and that of the President of the United States of America itself.

So I guess it's better to choose a running mate who during the democratic primary debates would constantly roll his eyes at everything Obama said, has been quoted saying about Obama that the presidency shouldn't be for someone looking for on-the-job training, and had many times said he did not want to be asked and would not be interested in being VP? McCain picked someone who agrees with him on the issues and believes in his candidacy.

BigAls87Z28 08-29-2008 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveR (Post 481027)
First, what security have they given us? We now have the highest national debt in American history, more than 25% of the entire country is in foreclosure, more American jobs have been outsourced to other countries in the last 8 years than in the previous 224 years of this nation combined, our real estate market is in the toilet, business are going out of business at an accelerated rate, unemployment is on the rise, wages are lower today than five years ago, yet inflation is growing to over 5% a year, gas is nearly double what it was two years ago, our automobile industry is on the verge of collapse, our foreign policy for the last 8 years has led to every single other country hating us, and Americans can hardly pay their bills, yet big business has been reporting record profits every single quarter for years. What kind of security is that?

Second, we cant leave Iraq? Have you not been watching the news? The Iraqi government has declared that the US must be fully withdrawn from Iraq by December 2011, and the drawdown must begin this December, giving us three years to have every single American troop out of there. If we dont, we will be declaring war on the Iraqi government THAT WE CREATED!

Bravo Steve...Bravo.

Reps have given us a false sense of security. We have trumped up several nations as big bad evil people when nations are not what are flying planes into towers, not blowing up buildings, and not killing American and other Allied troops.

Mosf of American is tired of the same old crap. McCain is gunna have to pull some magical bunny out of his hat (read: ass) to pull off this election. This time, he wont have a little brother to fudge the voting numbers.

We have sacraficed everything, our country has gone down the tubes in every way shape and form.

BigAls87Z28 08-29-2008 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LS1Hawk (Post 481049)
So I guess it's better to choose a running mate who during the democratic primary debates would constantly roll his eyes at everything Obama said, has been quoted saying about Obama that the presidency shouldn't be for someone looking for on-the-job training, and had many times said he did not want to be asked and would not be interested in being VP? McCain picked someone who agrees with him on the issues and believes in his candidacy.

Biden said he would not like to be VP, but if Obama (or Hillary) were to ask him, he would do the job.

SteveR 08-29-2008 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz (Post 481048)
and thats just your opinion based on the place you looked to get your info -- unfortunate for all of us the truth is swayed to the writers opinion and not necessarily really the truth as you and i would want -- jz

Out of the statements I made, tell me which ones are not facts.

johnjzjz 08-29-2008 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28 (Post 481050)
Bravo Steve...Bravo.

Reps have given us a false sense of security. We have trumped up several nations as big bad evil people when nations are not what are flying planes into towers, not blowing up buildings, and not killing American and other Allied troops.

Mosf of American is tired of the same old crap. McCain is gunna have to pull some magical bunny out of his hat (read: ass) to pull off this election. This time, he wont have a little brother to fudge the voting numbers.

We have sacraficed everything, our country has gone down the tubes in every way shape and form.

and i guess nancy and her ilk have done such a great job owning both houses of goverment they have been cleared by the dems for their 2 years of nothing OPPPS not susposed to look at what they do - just what they say they are going to do - i get it now be a great speaker does it for ya - and drilling in alaska is going to happen get use to it -- jz

SteveR 08-29-2008 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LS1Hawk (Post 481049)
So I guess it's better to choose a running mate who during the democratic primary debates would constantly roll his eyes at everything Obama said, has been quoted saying about Obama that the presidency shouldn't be for someone looking for on-the-job training, and had many times said he did not want to be asked and would not be interested in being VP? McCain picked someone who agrees with him on the issues and believes in his candidacy.

Biden wanted to be president, not vice president, thats competition.

McCain picked someone who agrees with BUSH'S issues, that McCain has adopted, and the proof is that McCain, over the last four years, has voted 95% of the time in support of every single Bush proposal. How is that McCain's beliefs? McCain is just a spokesman for the failed policies of the Bush Neroistic tyranny of exploitation.

She was chosen for three reasons;

1. She's a woman and McCain is playing the sex card.

2. She's a supporter of the oil companies and politicians desire to drill in Alaska

3. She has virtually no experience in major public office, so she will be like Bush, an easy person to bully and push around to do whatever you want her to do, both as VP, and if anything were to happen to McCain, as president, thus allowing these policies in place today to continue for at least another 4 years.

johnjzjz 08-29-2008 08:33 PM

OK what part of this is not true - lets say i want to vote dem


Why I'm voting Democratic.

1. I'm voting Democrat because an inexperienced US Senator gives great speeches that make me feel good.

2. I'm voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would.

3. I'm voting Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15 % isn't.

4. I'm voting Democrat because I believe three or four elitist liberals need to rewrite the Constitution through judicial fiat every few days to suit some idealists who would otherwise NEVER get their agendas past the voters.

5. I'm voting Democrat because I don't want a stimulus check to spend. Let the government spend it for me.

6. I'm voting Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.

7. I'm voting Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the employees (after taxes).

8. I'm voting Democrat because I'm not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies so long as we keep all death row inmates alive.

9. I'm voting Democrat because I believe that churches should only be allowed for political speeches.

10. I'm voting Democrat because I don't want Doctors who were at the top of their classes to operate on me. I want a government employee who makes $50k a year and couldn't hack it as a contractor or an engineer doing my surgery.

11. I'm voting Democrat because I believe that paying $4.00 a gallon or more is no reason to drill for the mountain of oil we are sitting on in THIS country. We wouldn't want to have to move a couple of polar bears now would we?

12. I'm voting Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq , I trust that the bad guys will stop what they're doing because they now think we're good people.

13. I'm voting Democrat because I like it when planes fly into buildings full of civilians. I want to see more of that.

14. I'm voting Democrat because I believe that when the terrorists don't have to hide from us over there, when they come over here I don't want to have any guns in the house to fight them off with.

15. I'm voting Democrat because I don't want to eat poison food and drink infected water. We all know Republicans love that stuff. (Ever wonder why the most left wing country in the world ( China ) is the most polluted?)

16. I'm voting Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday CAN tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don't start driving a Prius.

17. I'm voting Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want. I'm going to marry my TV.

18. I'm voting Democrat because I REALLY believe there is no bias in the media.

Mark B 08-29-2008 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveR (Post 481027)
First, what security have they given us? We now have the highest national debt in American history, more than 25% of the entire country is in foreclosure, more American jobs have been outsourced to other countries in the last 8 years than in the previous 224 years of this nation combined, our real estate market is in the toilet, business are going out of business at an accelerated rate, unemployment is on the rise, wages are lower today than five years ago, yet inflation is growing to over 5% a year, gas is nearly double what it was two years ago, our automobile industry is on the verge of collapse, our foreign policy for the last 8 years has led to every single other country hating us, and Americans can hardly pay their bills, yet big business has been reporting record profits every single quarter for years. What kind of security is that?

Now tell me how Bush is responsible for millions of americans being stupid enough to get on an adjustable rate mortgage, or the real estate market being crappy, or high gas prices? Gas prices rising have caused almost all americans to cut back on spending. Thus causing most of the items on your list. The only big business I know of reporting record profits are the oil companys. And that is OUR own fault. We bought oversized SUV's and have wasted as much energy as we could for a long time. It has finally caught up to us. And it is up to us to change our ways. I HATE how our country spends 21 billion dollars on gas every year. Money that goes out of our country and into the hands of people that want to kill us.

As far as the security... you dont think that our presence in Iraq has had anything to do with the fact that there have been NO major terrorist attacks since 9/11?

Mark B 08-29-2008 08:57 PM

Dont get me wrong. I dont like Bush either. His administration has made mistake after mistake. And I dont agree with many of his decisions. But I just hate how people try to blame him for things that are out of his controll.

Frosty 08-29-2008 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28 (Post 481050)
Bravo Steve...Bravo.

Reps have given us a false sense of security. We have trumped up several nations as big bad evil people when nations are not what are flying planes into towers, not blowing up buildings, and not killing American and other Allied troops.

Mosf of American is tired of the same old crap. McCain is gunna have to pull some magical bunny out of his hat (read: ass) to pull off this election. This time, he wont have a little brother to fudge the voting numbers.

We have sacraficed everything, our country has gone down the tubes in every way shape and form.

Yet somehow that's all the Republican's fault? C'mon Al, you're smarter than that. A LOT(most) Democrats voted for the war, most buckled when they had an opportunity to really get stuff done, how about a ridiculously low Congress approval rating? You can sit there and point the finger at the right all you want but at the end of the day the left is just as much at fault, maybe even more. They cry a mean game but once the whining stops they still accomplish nothing. It's funny, Clinton is praised left and right about his economic policies and how he turned the country around...with a Republican congress. Bush is president and the country certainly isn't doing great but with a Democrat congress yet it's all his fault. Hypocrisy at its best.***For the record I didn't have a huge problem with Clinton, it's just hypocrisy at its best***

SteveR 08-29-2008 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz (Post 481063)
1. I'm voting Democrat because an inexperienced US Senator gives great speeches that make me feel good.

How is he inexperienced again? Explain that. He's been in public service since before he went to college.

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz (Post 481063)
2. I'm voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would.

Actually, if you read Obama's economic plan, you wouldn't have said that. He is guaranteeing tax cuts for the middle class and small business owners. He's also talking about a public works program, like what FDR did after the depression, to help the economy, provide Americans with American jobs, and reinvest in American companies. Unlike Bush who instituted the Homeland Security Tax for every car you rent and plane or train ticket you buy, increased income tax for the middle class, but oh, I'm sure you'll mention the tax rebate checks he so nicely handed out. Well, they in reality further put our national debt in danger, and if you read the fine print, that was a loan, not a gift. You'll be paying that back. But best to do that in his final year so it'll look like it's the next president's fault.

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz (Post 481063)
3. I'm voting Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15 % isn't.

Where did you get that information? Lets talk basic, simple economics for a second. Oil companies have a set profit margin of 4%. They report record profit gains every single quarter. Simple math would then say that the only way thats possible is if every single American alive commutes to the Moon and back everyday. Profits in a set margin only increase with demands, and in case you havent noticed, demand if anything went down this past year, so that would mean that their profit margin was not in fact set at 4%. Exxon alone this past quarter reported over 11 billion dollars in profit. PROFIT.

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz (Post 481063)
4. I'm voting Democrat because I believe three or four elitist liberals need to rewrite the Constitution through judicial fiat every few days to suit some idealists who would otherwise NEVER get their agendas past the voters.

Are you talking about Bush here? He was the one that signed the Patriot Act that stripped Americans of their rights, ignored the Constitution, violated the Geneva Convention, committed acts of war crimes, the same offense we hunted Hitler for, the same we tried and executed Himmler for, the same we tried Milosevic for, the same we denounced Stalin for, and the same we make patriotic movies about, the same administration that ignores the Bill of Rights, the same administration that condones torture, suspends human rights, the same administration that is willing to break the rules and bankrupt this country to make themselves richer, despite what tremendous negative impacts it has on all Americans. This is also the same administration that illegally appointed leaders when Congress was out of session, and said 'what are you going to do about it.'

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz (Post 481063)
5. I'm voting Democrat because I don't want a stimulus check to spend. Let the government spend it for me.

Read the fine print, thats a loan, not a gift. Have fun paying that back next year or the year after. But I'm sure if Obama wins, you'll blame that on him too.

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz (Post 481063)
6. I'm voting Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.

And Bush doesnt want freedom of speech at all. Americans organizing legally to protest Bush's policies are broken up, and individuals arrested for no reason. Protests themselves are now illegal in many instances. Protests when Bush was on his way down Pennsylvania Avenue to get sworn in were not allowed. The rest of the public is not allowed to see what other Americans are doing, especially if its to question our leaders. How's that for your freedoms?

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz (Post 481063)
7. I'm voting Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the employees (after taxes).

Where in any discussion, document, form, email, or any other form of communication, written or otherwise, does any Democrat say that? Stopping big business from RAPING its citizens without any legal recourse is a noble cause. Argue your point to the thousands of families that lost EVERYTHING when Kenneth Lay decided that he really needed those billions of dollars in employee pension funds. Then the government covered his ass and let him off the hook, meanwhile the thousands of hard working American families are left out in the ****ing street.

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz (Post 481063)
8. I'm voting Democrat because I'm not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies so long as we keep all death row inmates alive.

And the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of civilians in multiple countries is permissible? Sure, as long as its not happening in abortion clinics, murder is legal, right? How about how Bush has turned his cheek to the fact that oil companies have setup faux sites in the Congo for the sole purpose of arming the rebels to slaughter civilians so they can raid the diamond mines. The public was finally made aware of it after Citgo got caught. But thats ok, right?

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz (Post 481063)
9. I'm voting Democrat because I believe that churches should only be allowed for political speeches.

Right. Thats absolutely insane. Where on what page of your Dems are the Devil Handbook is that? Obama is a very religious man, so is Biden.

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz (Post 481063)
10. I'm voting Democrat because I don't want Doctors who were at the top of their classes to operate on me. I want a government employee who makes $50k a year and couldn't hack it as a contractor or an engineer doing my surgery.

Right, because it was Obama that catered to the insurance companies that illegally short changed every single medical bill they received and refuse to this day to pay for covered visits, which is why the good doctors are either going out of business, going private, or moving to another country where they will be duly compensated for their abilities. Our health care system in this country is BROKEN. Insurance companies are now permitted to authorize doctor and hospital visits, as well as surgeries, and NOT pay for them when the bill is submitted. And Bush covers their asses and the doctors, hospitals, and clinics go under.


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Originally Posted by johnjzjz (Post 481063)
11. I'm voting Democrat because I believe that paying $4.00 a gallon or more is no reason to drill for the mountain of oil we are sitting on in THIS country. We wouldn't want to have to move a couple of polar bears now would we?

Read up on the issues with speculators on Wall Street, thats why gas is so high. They were allowed to raise the price of oil by 400% over a year and Bush protected them, because thats money in his pocket.

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz (Post 481063)
12. I'm voting Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq , I trust that the bad guys will stop what they're doing because they now think we're good people.

I'd like to see where in any of Obama's speeches he says that. Oh wait, he didnt. If you study the political and social history of us going into Iraq, you'd know that a lot of people hate us because we WENT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. The truth is that there are people that want to kill us. They exist all over, but the true diplomat doesn't just go bomb, invade, and become an occupying force where ever he wishes. Force only breeds force, and hatred only breeds hatred.

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz (Post 481063)
13. I'm voting Democrat because I like it when planes fly into buildings full of civilians. I want to see more of that.

Yea. You know, you may be onto something there. I bet if you dig deep enough, you'll see Jimmy ****ing Carter in the pilot seat of that first jet. I even bet those terrorist Dems stole JFK's casket and duct taped it to the nose of one of the jets. I bet if you change the letters in Obama's name around, it spells 'kill all Americans.'

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz (Post 481063)
14. I'm voting Democrat because I believe that when the terrorists don't have to hide from us over there, when they come over here I don't want to have any guns in the house to fight them off with.

Right. Even though Obama has spoken out saying he strongly supports the Second Amendment. You really have never even read or even listened to any one of his debates or speeches, have you?

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz (Post 481063)
15. I'm voting Democrat because I don't want to eat poison food and drink infected water. We all know Republicans love that stuff. (Ever wonder why the most left wing country in the world ( China ) is the most polluted?)

What are you talking about?

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz (Post 481063)
16. I'm voting Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday CAN tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don't start driving a Prius.

Right. Because Al Gore and the leading researchers from MIT, Princeton, Harvard, etc. decided one day to just say "ef it, let the Weather Channel figure it out." If you read about, became involved with, or even had an inkling of an idea about environmental science, you wouldnt say something that uninformed.

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz (Post 481063)
17. I'm voting Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want. I'm going to marry my TV.

And why do you care so much about what each individual wants to do with their lives? Isnt this country founded on freedom? So why are you trying to limit that freedom? Does your version of freedom have limitations and exceptions? That sound a lot like Bush's idea of freedom too.

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz (Post 481063)
18. I'm voting Democrat because I REALLY believe there is no bias in the media.

What are you talking about. If anything, your statement is in direct contrast to your standing. You are inferring that the media is biased, and can be manipulated, thus controlled.

SteveR 08-29-2008 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark B (Post 481067)
As far as the security... you dont think that our presence in Iraq has had anything to do with the fact that there have been NO major terrorist attacks since 9/11?

You mean stateside. You're not counting the thousands of soldiers who've died in IED attacks alone.

BigAls87Z28 08-29-2008 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 481071)
Yet somehow that's all the Republican's fault? C'mon Al, you're smarter than that. A LOT(most) Democrats voted for the war, most buckled when they had an opportunity to really get stuff done, how about a ridiculously low Congress approval rating? You can sit there and point the finger at the right all you want but at the end of the day the left is just as much at fault, maybe even more. They cry a mean game but once the whining stops they still accomplish nothing. It's funny, Clinton is praised left and right about his economic policies and how he turned the country around...with a Republican congress. Bush is president and the country certainly isn't doing great but with a Democrat congress yet it's all his fault. Hypocrisy at its best.***For the record I didn't have a huge problem with Clinton, it's just hypocrisy at its best***


Voting for the war, and creating the reasons to go to war are two very vast and different things.
Well, when there was a Republican Congress with Bush in the office, the economy tanked. Only now do we see the aftermath of thier decisions.
The Dem congress was just recent, only 2 out of the past 8 years have we had that available to us.
We still have a Right Wing President to veto any bill that might help us out.

We gave out billions of dollars that are not ours, to give to Americans to spend,a nd the economy is still in the ****ter.

How about the TRILLION dollars we are pouring into Iraq to be in WORSE SHAPE then when Saddam was in office? How about the millions of dollars that have just suddenly disappeared in Iraq?
That's gotta be the Dem Congress's fault.

We can go back and forth on this, but the fact still stands, this country has been for a long time in the ****ter, and its not cause of Clinton getting a blow job.
Im sick and tired of the Reps making excuses, drawing up BS to cover up the real problems.
I thought Reps were supposed to reduce goverment spending? Reduce goverment intervention? Nothing has been done. Since 2001, we have lost more rights, and our economy has lost its buying power, something we havent had since the depression. In 8 years, we have managed to throw away 80 years of progress to fight terror in a country where there was no terrorists till we decied to launch a massive invasion IN WHICH WE WERE NOT PROVOKED!!
Bush and his team had single handedly mislead this nation into war.
But ****...god for bid the Gays get married.
God forbid women have the right to chose
Reps have been blowing smoke up our asses for 8 years.
It took 8 years to un**** the Rep's mistakes before, and now it will probably take 8 to 12 years to fix it this time.

SteveR 08-29-2008 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 481071)
Yet somehow that's all the Republican's fault?

It's about accountability. The major problems that have transpired in this country over the last eight years are directly tied to the judgment, policies, plans, and programs that the Bush Administration has put into place. You cant blame Obama for Gitmo, you cant blame the Dems for Abu Grab, you cant blame Biden for a 12 trillion dollar spending bill, you cant blame the Democrats for approving torture, you cant blame the Democrats for war crimes, and you cant blame the Democrats for pretending like braking the law is perfectly acceptable. The problem with this administration, and America today, is a total lack of accountability. Nobody takes responsibility for any of their actions. Its always somebody else's fault, or theres a perfectly good reason for breaking the law.

Frosty 08-29-2008 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveR (Post 481078)
It's about accountability. The major problems that have transpired in this country over the last eight years are directly tied to the judgment, policies, plans, and programs that the Bush Administration has put into place. You cant blame Obama for Gitmo, you cant blame the Dems for Abu Grab, you cant blame Biden for a 12 trillion dollar spending bill, you cant blame the Democrats for approving torture, you cant blame the Democrats for war crimes, and you cant blame the Democrats for pretending like braking the law is perfectly acceptable. The problem with this administration, and America today, is a total lack of accountability. Nobody takes responsibility for any of their actions. Its always somebody else's fault, or theres a perfectly good reason for breaking the law.

Neither side has had accountability for years man. It goes from our government all the way down to the average citizen.

LS1Hawk 08-29-2008 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28 (Post 481077)
We gave out billions of dollars that are not ours, to give to Americans to spend, and the economy is still in the ****ter.

The economy is showing signs of rebounding. And the stimulus checks seem to have helped out. It was just reported yesterday that in the second quarter (when most Americans received their stimulus checks) the GDP grew at a faster-than-expected-rate of 3.3%, due in part to rising exports, falling imports, more consumer spending and less inventory reduction.

SteveR 08-29-2008 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 481081)
Neither side has had accountability for years man. It goes from our government all the way down to the average citizen.

You're exactly right. It's been a pandemic problem for decades. Hell, centuries. The first president of record that stuck his nose up at the law, due process, and the Constitution was Andrew Jackson. However, nowhere in our history has any leader ever even come close to the level of sheer tyranny that has taken place over the last 8 years.

Frosty 08-29-2008 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28 (Post 481077)
Voting for the war, and creating the reasons to go to war are two very vast and different things.
Well, when there was a Republican Congress with Bush in the office, the economy tanked. Only now do we see the aftermath of thier decisions.
The Dem congress was just recent, only 2 out of the past 8 years have we had that available to us.
We still have a Right Wing President to veto any bill that might help us out.

We gave out billions of dollars that are not ours, to give to Americans to spend,a nd the economy is still in the ****ter.

How about the TRILLION dollars we are pouring into Iraq to be in WORSE SHAPE then when Saddam was in office? How about the millions of dollars that have just suddenly disappeared in Iraq?
That's gotta be the Dem Congress's fault.

We can go back and forth on this, but the fact still stands, this country has been for a long time in the ****ter, and its not cause of Clinton getting a blow job.
Im sick and tired of the Reps making excuses, drawing up BS to cover up the real problems.
I thought Reps were supposed to reduce goverment spending? Reduce goverment intervention? Nothing has been done. Since 2001, we have lost more rights, and our economy has lost its buying power, something we havent had since the depression. In 8 years, we have managed to throw away 80 years of progress to fight terror in a country where there was no terrorists till we decied to launch a massive invasion IN WHICH WE WERE NOT PROVOKED!!
Bush and his team had single handedly mislead this nation into war.
But ****...god for bid the Gays get married.
God forbid women have the right to chose
Reps have been blowing smoke up our asses for 8 years.
It took 8 years to un**** the Rep's mistakes before, and now it will probably take 8 to 12 years to fix it this time.

I dislike Bush as much as the next person and of course he and his cronies made mistakes...but to blame the entire mess we're in solely on him is very biased. You complain about the money we're spending in Iraq(and it's certainly a valid point) yet the Dems voted for it, and with their bigger government ideas prove that they're going to spend just as much. Obama keeps preaching change...yet he plans on spending an ass load of $$ on big government programs which proves he's just like every other scumbag politician out there. I wanted to believe that he's different, I wanted to have faith in the left but the more I try to believe the more disgusted I become.

I really wish a 3rd party would gain some recognition and spotlight. I'm tired of being stuck in the middle. The hardcore right is too right for me and the left...forget it....

SteveR 08-29-2008 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 481085)
Obama keeps preaching change...yet he plans on spending an ass load of $$ on big government programs which proves he's just like every other scumbag politician out there.

Except his spending plans are public works projects. Plans to create jobs, reinvest in American businesses, and employ Americans.

Frosty 08-29-2008 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveR (Post 481087)
Except his spending plans are public works projects. Plans to create jobs, reinvest in American businesses, and employ Americans.

Not all of them man, not even close. I don't like his tax plans, I don't like his idea of basically getting off of oil completely, a fuel that has worked for decades. We can't just stop using it at the snap of a finger.

But enough about that, no need to bash one single person. I'd rather bash Pelosi and her oh so great effective Congress. ;)


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