last i talked to him, josh runs pump gas

No one said they aren't gaining in popularity.

I think his cars run pump gas, but I'm not 100%, but that is not the point. I could replace them with a dozen other cars off the top of my head. And that is the point others have made, some of the LS-nutswingers discount other engines off hand - until they get slapped at the track. And no offense to anyone, but it is more often that not it is young guys who sometimes act like domestic ricers. The noisy ones never run their cars and what they don't know about cars could fill volumes.

And why are you comparing a $65,000+ Z06 to a 20 year old 3rd gen? Talk about an argument being null and void. If it is all about new>old, then get rid of your 4th gen (which is a 3rd gen with a funny nose & lighter engine) and buy a real car with a better trans, better front suspension and better rear.

You were comparing the LS1 to a race car that god knows how much cost to build up. The reason I brought up the Z06 is because it is a street legal 8 second car, I don't see any SBC being able to pass emissions with the work it needs to take to get any car into the 8's. And my car suites me well for what it is, no need to go blowing extra money.

wait, there's an emissions legal 8 second ls1?

Josh drives his cars, they pass PA emissions. I see them all the time.

"my car suites me well" - but rip on 3rd gens when those owners say the same thing?

i think he's talking about the atomic orange 4l85e super lsx c6 z06 putting down a few high 8 second passes in street trim on ''pump'' gas...although he's running methane injection...which kinda negates the pump gas part but whatever.....ron knows more about...he's seen the car firsthand

lol ive seen the car but i dont know much about it.


id like to see a gen 1 and/or 2 sbc engine get 24+mpg like a stock internal/bolt on LS1 car and still run as fast as one with the same mods

from what ive been reading, the gen 5 camaro, even with a bigger/newer engine, isnt going to be much faster than a 4th gen because of how much bigger it is. i doubt many people will buy them, especially with the way the economy is these days.

hahahaha and how much does that 8 second z06 cost? you owned yourself

I think thats a pretty good accomplishsment and shows how much real power the 5th gen is putting down.
It omes in at about 200lbs heavier then the lightest Z28/Formy from the factory.
It has massive wheels, 4 inches larger in diameter then said Z28/Formy
Larger brakes
IRS

It doesnt matter in the end. I think the OP stated the question wrong.
Will the LS1 die? yes, the LS1 is pretty much dead.
Will the Gen III/IV die? No, because its still alive. LS1's smaller bore will slowly fall out of favor as the larger 6.0 blocks start to make its way out there. People are already doing massive displacement Gen III/IV motors, so tey arent gong to stay with the small bore 5.7 LS1.
The LS1 will be like the 327 of its time. Good power, was in a lot of performance applications, but larger displacement engines and better technology took it over.

My question is...what happens when the Gen V"s roll out in a about a year or two? Direct Injection FTW...

I do not think the release of the 5th Gen Camaro will diminish the popularity of the LS1. The LS2 has been out since '05 and the LS1 is still here. And like I said before, the difference between the Gen III/IV engines are that big. Almost all external parts are interchangeable.

As far as the LS1 guys looking down on LT1 folks. Well I can't speak for everyone else, but coming from a guy that has owned an LT1. I don't look down on ya, I just feel sorry for ya. j/k

There it is.

And Al is right- the LS1 is going to be like the modern day 327. Great for its time but now that there are bigger and better options (especially for transplanting) they are going to be left behind.

And if you actually know what you are doing you can make a 327 scream...just like you'll always be able to make an LS1 scream.

If you can hear anything over the piston slap. :lol:

You can make a 283 scream if you want to. Just most people pass over it for other stuff.

it has no cats. and a big enough cam to not pass emissions. it can be a street car, but vinnie said "emissions legal"

OBDII doesn't need to have cats or any emissions equipment.... lol sooo its legal!

fantastic fail.

WHAT?

Yes.

PMd

OBDII still needs cats, but no check engine light= pass.

So instead of fantastic fail, it was just a fail on his part.:lol:

You all fail, I was being sarcastic.

I assumed you were kidding! :lol:

well some states don't do the whole emissions thing....

yea but then theres no difference in the discrepancy between OBDI/OBDII testing.

Technically tampering/removing/altering/moving a cat is a federal offense, even if a state does not check.

get out! yeah you need like headlights, brake lights, and seat belts :lol: i have no idea actually