Maybe I don't get it. Maybe someone can explain it to me. I've been told I'm slow. And I'm only hoping about the numbers I mention. I'm not claiming to think I know anything. It's all speculation. I'm not old enough to see the fascination with the non performance years.

What is the best guitar made today?

That's what I'm saying their, Mikey,lol

Best guitar is a matter of opinion. Is that ur point lol?

I just enjoy hearing what guys say about those older cars because I missed the boat on getting my hands on one. When I started driving it was 1990. 60s cars were just a bit outta my reach. Now they're for the rich.

Maybe you can rephrase your last statement as I don't quite understand what you are trying to say.

It can be pretty complex.

You are not THAT far off base with the comment in red.

74-84 stuff of any make and model (with exceptions) is not pulling great numbers due to styling sometimes being a bit funky and factory performance being not so great.

But it's older, and easy to work on. So all of the sudden that 185hp Camaro can be a 450hp Camaro in a weekend for not that much money. Probably less than the price of a rear in a 4th gen.

Opinion? Yes, that matters! Which is why a bubbletop impala will always be worth more than a 96 impala even if the 96 impala is better car in all aspects.


Trying hard to make you understand. Why is a 59 Les Paul worth so much? There are lots of nice guitars ‘mass market’ made today, ones that probably play better. Because it was beautiful and they don’t make them anymore. It has an allure. Like a 69 Camaro. (like cars, you can’t compare to a custom builds, those are a very different market).

Ok, now I see ur point. I understand that.

Thanks, bill, bonzo and mike. I'm alittle young to kno what you all know, but I'm willing to learn it from you guys who obviously kno. I guess in short, I hope to someday have my own 69 camaro, or chevelle or gto or a grand sport. I'd take any late 60s muscle car I could afford to get my hands on. You guys are are very very lucky if you were able to witness what I unfortunately missed out on.

No problem. Some of us missed the boat too :D

Speak for yourself, whippersnapper.

For the record you are older than Mike & WBT. And I'm only 2 years older than you. At least according to your profile. :p

Huh, interesting. So then you guys grew up around new Irocs as a kid like me, lol . At that time, the only cars I liked were the GN, Iroc, Monte SS, and the trans am. You? I mean other than wishing I had a 60s car

I hated that imitation 442 gutless lol

It's a shame third gens are so underpowered and ugly... I guess I should scrap mine and go buy a catfish..

I love the 3d gens. They were all new cars when I was a teen. Those are the cars I remember new as an impressionable kid. I loved em big time, till I saw the beastly 4th gens. Now that's my love. But ill never stop trying to save up for a 69 maro or chevelle

I remember my dad going to Salerno Pontiac in randolph, in 1987 looking to buy a friggin station wagon which he did,Lmao, and all I kept doing was begging him to cosign for a GTA lol

Yup. IROCs were new when I was in high school. My first car was a 76 Camaro LT. 11 year old used car. It got wrecked by a jerk who felt people making a left have the right of way. Then I bought an 82 TA. 6 year old car. I liked that car. Sold it when I was house hunting. Bu tI like 1st & 2nd gens better, aesthetically. I can make a car fast. I’m not a pure stock guy. I like drivers.

True. Tell you what, I’ll give you $1000 for the red piece of junk.

Keep the NHRA car, dump the other two, add a little $ and buy a '69 that's not a total mess. You could probably get into a decent starter '69 for 10-12k.

First time I saw an Iroc was the summer of 1985, and I was on vacation in lavalette, and I wad 12, and a yellow Iroc came down the strip. That's it!!! I was hooked on them for years. My dad bought a 92 25th RS, and finally sold it a few years ago, to buy a 68 Plymouth GTX. I shouldve kept that car. He was willing to give it to me, but I wanted another 4th gen car. I should kept it, just cause it was my dads.

Probably right bill. But I have a bad habit of holding on to the cars I already have. My collection was getting outta control, lol. I want to add a 69 without depleting my heard. Itll happen soon enough. I have no kids, and I don't have a mortgage. Hopefully, soon.

Wow, really? You passed on a 440 Mopar to get a 4th gen car? Was the GTX beat up?

Even a slightly beat driver GTX is worth $25K+

I was in high school from 87-91. All my friends had mid 70s camaros. Fun times, but I remember the.king how long it took to get them up over 120 mph.lol

No didn't pass it up. My dad bought the GTX ,then sold the camaro. he bought a 67 GTX new, and kicked himself for selling it. So when he bought a 340 dart new, had me, then sold that one, I had to question his priorities, lol so a few years ago, after he saw me collecting my cars, he decided it was time to get back into the game. Someday, that original 440 car will be mine.