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sweetbmxrider 03-28-2013 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon (Post 876255)
I like it better if you get rid of the chevy sign
A recurring theme with you :lol:

BigAls87Z28 03-28-2013 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 876289)
Ls is dying. They won't make a new motor for a single trim level of a single model
Exactly.
The plant that makes the LS7, LS9, and the few hand-built LS3s is being shut down and the people are going to move to Bowling Green.
Since C7 will get none of the Gen IV engines, and there is probably a handful of engines still to be built, this makes a great engine to get the job done.

Blacdout96 03-28-2013 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 876289)
Ls is dying. They won't make a new motor for a single trim level of a single model
Says the Corvette ZO6 up until yesterday......

The LS doesn't appear to be fazed out soon for the trucks, so the tooling is there, but one can dream of a proper retro car, and what it's original intents, and specs are used again to hat tip at the original.

BigAls87Z28 03-28-2013 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Blacdout96 (Post 876300)
Says the Corvette ZO6 up until yesterday......

The LS doesn't appear to be fazed out soon for the trucks, so the tooling is there, but one can dream of a proper retro car, and what it's original intents, and specs are used again to hat tip at the original.
Trucks are all new, and will start rolling out with Gen V engines.
By the end of this year, the only cars that will have Gen IV engines will be Camaro and SS Sedan.

Mike 03-28-2013 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Blacdout96 (Post 876300)
Says the Corvette ZO6 up until yesterday......

The LS doesn't appear to be fazed out soon for the trucks, so the tooling is there, but one can dream of a proper retro car, and what it's original intents, and specs are used again to hat tip at the original.
yeah... that was multiple years ago, read the first three words of my post before you attempt to chump me off

Blacdout96 03-28-2013 09:44 PM
Chump you off? testy testy there Mike, chill out, maybe have some tea to calm those nerves? I understand the LS is dying, and so is the buying public for these things. We have a ZL1 sitting in our showroom, no one has attempted to make a move on it (sticker is 57K......not bad for what you get) so with prices creeping up next to a Corvette ( Taking dealer mark up into account) Do they think this will create wallets to open back up for this car?
Also, the belt line is still a little too high, so I hope they did something to allow you to see out the windows on this new model.

NastyEllEssWon 03-28-2013 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider (Post 876297)
A recurring theme with you :lol:


i liked the days when they found ways to make the chevy sign look cool instead of tossing a giant golden rent a car badge on it :D

BigAls87Z28 03-28-2013 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Blacdout96 (Post 876306)
Chump you off? testy testy there Mike, chill out, maybe have some tea to calm those nerves? I understand the LS is dying, and so is the buying public for these things. We have a ZL1 sitting in our showroom, no one has attempted to make a move on it (sticker is 57K......not bad for what you get) so with prices creeping up next to a Corvette ( Taking dealer mark up into account) Do they think this will create wallets to open back up for this car?
Also, the belt line is still a little too high, so I hope they did something to allow you to see out the windows on this new model.
This is not a new model. This is the same car with a refreshed face.
High belt lines are here to stay, get over it.

Slow-V6 03-28-2013 10:41 PM
This new design looks really good. I might be in the market for a new Camaro soon. Cant wait to see it this weekend.

LTb1ow 03-29-2013 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28 (Post 876286)
There is no L88 coming, but there will be a 600 and a 700+ hp engine for C7; LT4 and LT5. Tadge is a good dude, very cool guy to talk to, and he loves enthusiasts.



2014 gets an update front and rear. Smaller upper grill, much larger lower grill. It's a bottom breather like the C7. This helps with the aero, and the vents in the hood release the pressure to keep the nose down.



60k-70k. Z06 will move up to 80ish. Z/28 is the top level car.



People are buying 65k ZL1s. A C7 Z51 will top out right along side this.
YOU wouldn't buy it, but YOU wouldn't buy any car.



Hood design is based off the ZL1's aero studies. It's functional. I wish it was larger. It looks too small for such a large hood.

ZL1 is a Grand Touring car, complete with adaptive suspension, lots of nice standard features, etc etc. Z/28 is a dedicated track car.

Could GM have just done a lighter SS? Sure. Could they have just done a slightly tuned up 1LE? Yeah.

This is the car that everyone said that GM would never make. A stripped down, light weight, big cube, manual trans only, optional AC. no fancy radio stuff, manual race seats, with carbon ceramic brakes, spec-suspension and race tires.

It's six seconds faster around GM's Milford Proving Grounds than the Mustang GT500.
Wait, so they make a not so fat ass 5th gen that is more gutted than a LS1 race car and, then charge more for it?

I applaud GM for the F you attitude, but, really?

sweetbmxrider 03-29-2013 07:29 AM
Probably over 5 g's in seats there.

DaSkinnyGuy 03-29-2013 07:32 AM
I love everything about it all positive feedback from me.

*Front end looks more aerodynamic
*Exhaust is going to sound great, LS7 with dual mode mufflers. Can not wait to hear it with long tube headers and no cats through those dual mode mufflers.
*Rear end was nicely changed
*1.05G ( I wonder how much suspension change it takes a 3425lb 4th gen to do that )
*If I had the money I would buy it.

BonzoHansen 03-29-2013 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by LTb1ow (Post 876336)
Wait, so they make a not so fat ass 5th gen that is more gutted than a LS1 race car and, then charge more for it?

I applaud GM for the F you attitude, but, really?
special z28 only parts don't lower costs

NastyEllEssWon 03-29-2013 08:03 AM
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog....-camaro-ny.jpg

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/pictur...ctureid=100626

After seeing more pictures of this in different angles i gotta say that ss front end looks pretty nice from there but god that back end is still terrible :(

LTb1ow 03-29-2013 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen (Post 876351)
special z28 only parts don't lower costs
Thats fine and all, but lets assume I am a non car tech savvy person.

Why would I want a non optioned car that costs more than a higher optioned car?

Seems like a "true" car enthusiast is not gonna drop 80k on this, cause well, thats a ton of money. :rofl:

BonzoHansen 03-29-2013 08:13 AM
^^ that person isn't buying this single speaker car. It's not an intended to be an econobox.

You know they don't intend to sell many of these or zl1s, right?

And as cafe standards grow they will want to sell even less. So make the same money off 500 as they would 5000 is better for them

WildBillyT 03-29-2013 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by LTb1ow (Post 876354)
Thats fine and all, but lets assume I am a non car tech savvy person.

Why would I want a non optioned car that costs more than a higher optioned car?

Seems like a "true" car enthusiast is not gonna drop 80k on this, cause well, thats a ton of money. :rofl:
If you are not car tech savvy then you probably would not care.

IIRC the Viper ACR was the same way and it sold just fine.

Blackbirdws6 03-29-2013 08:43 AM
While I'm surprised the car will be more money than the ZL1, I assume they are simply trying to make back their development costs. They likely needed to do further crash, emissions and other testing on top of the costs of parts especially those fancy brakes.

I can appreciate the performance bump over the ZL1 but personally I value more features versus a stripped down street legal track car. If I was a track nut, then this would be the car for me. The ZL1 will have the power/amenities but the track nut will simply value the Z/28 performance cred more.

I like the Z/28 a lot and while it's not the car for me, I can respect it's intent.

Jersey Mike 03-29-2013 09:03 AM
I can't wait to see one at a local show, with painters tape, numbers, and HooHoos on all 4s. Drool and props will be everywhere.

LTb1ow 03-29-2013 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Jersey Mike (Post 876365)
I can't wait to see one at a local show, with painters tape, numbers, and HooHoos on all 4s. Drool and props will be everywhere.
Yea and then it will get rolled back into a trailer. Never raced or driven.

Waste.

Jersey Mike 03-29-2013 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by LTb1ow (Post 876367)
Yea and then it will get rolled back into a trailer. Never raced or driven.

Waste.
You cray. I'd like to believe the blue painters tape and Hoosiers had some time; Hence the props and drool.

PolarBear 03-29-2013 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28 (Post 876286)
60k-70k. Z06 will move up to 80ish. Z/28 is the top level car.
Wait, its got less stuff, less weight, optional delete items, an engine that costs less, less horsepower that the ZL1, but will be within 5k or OVER the price of a ZL1? That right there is what is wrong with GM. That car should be within 10k of a fully optioned base model V6. The ZL1 starts at ~$57,000, the Z28 should be $5,000 less than that WTF is wrong with these idiots

PolarBear 03-29-2013 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen (Post 876351)
special z28 only parts don't lower costs
I didnt realize there was another page in this discussion when I posted.

What special Z parts? Some badges and some seats? There is absolutely no way this car should cost more than a ZL1

Jersey Mike 03-29-2013 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by PolarBear (Post 876384)
Wait, its got less stuff, less weight, optional delete items, an engine that costs less, less horsepower that the ZL1, but will be within 5k or OVER the price of a ZL1? That right there is what is wrong with GM. That car should be within 10k of a fully optioned base model V6. The ZL1 starts at ~$57,000, the Z28 should be $5,000 less than that WTF is wrong with these idiots
I don't know what the production numbers are going to be on the Z/28 versus the ZL1, but perhaps the limited edition "cool factor" is coming into play?

Perhaps a silly question, but how would this car do on a road course compared to a C7?


Realistically, I can't see a normal person purchasing these new--and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm sure we'll see very, very few of these on the street, and more so in collections or HPDE days for the big-wigs. Status and image. That's what I chalk this up to--and I approve of that.
I think GM is doing image remodeling, and offering up some exclusivity helps that. No longer the mullet-mobile of your trailer park, but a piece of a rich guy's stable that he takes pride in, and the average guy recognizes as rich in both value and legacy. Those people aren't going to mind an extra 5-10k
on the price tag. They just want to own something rare and awesome.



The used market will, of course, be different.

PolarBear 03-29-2013 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Jersey Mike (Post 876390)
I'm sure we'll see very, very few of these on the street,
I don't think it will be that rare, unless they plan a limited release. I have seen several ZL1's on the street already and I would imagine the Z28 will be a greater number release than that


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