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firebirdcrazy 08-01-2008 01:33 PM

Does anyone remember the Tennesee verses Garner case? You law Enforcement guys should know this since its taught in every academy. Now why the hell did this moron get away with this? Had it been a PD he would probably be still in jail. It just makes no sense. I am game to protecting yourself and your neighbor but that was extreme. If the circumstances were that that the neighbor was in the house and was being assaulted then they are game. But noone was around and they were fleeing I would have given chase but not shoot them.

79T/A 08-01-2008 05:02 PM

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Does anyone remember the Tennesee verses Garner case? You law Enforcement guys should know this since its taught in every academy. Now why the hell did this moron get away with this? Had it been a PD he would probably be still in jail.
Very good catch, sir. Tennessee vs. Garner was the first thing that came to mind when I heard about this. And there's no probably about it. Had a cop shot these guys the same way in the same circumstances, they would DEFINITELY be in jail. No doubt in my mind.

LTb1ow 08-01-2008 05:46 PM

I think the circumstances play a big role in this, they were undoubtedly robbing the house, they were illegals (sorry but you can't say that didn't play into it) and its Texass. But shooting someone in the back is never cool man.

sweetbmxrider 08-01-2008 06:34 PM

texass....nice

Mike 08-01-2008 11:24 PM

no
no
no

this is the 3rd time i said this. they were BURGULARIZING the house, not robbing it, you can only rob a person

Tsar 08-01-2008 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cbrrmike (Post 471018)
no
no
no

this is the 3rd time i said this. they were BURGULARIZING the house, not robbing it, you can only rob a person

To further confuse the masses why don't you throw "larceny" in there. Sit back and enjoy the confusion...

1972LT1 08-02-2008 12:17 AM

It should be plain and simple.....If you break into my house, I should be able to shoot your a$$. You didn't have my permission to be there, I shouldn't have to ask you what your intentions were. You don't belong there, you don't have my permission to be there, I don't think that machete in your belt is there as a toothpick. And after I ventilate your a$$ your family shouldn't be able to sue me for loss of provider. I'm starting to like Texas more and more.

firehawk1120 08-02-2008 01:54 AM

Seeing as I'm sick of criminals getting more rights then a law abiding person I love this law. I'm also a gun owner who hates NJ laws. If you shoot some in NJ and they fall outside your house your F'd, they have to be inside your home and be considered a dangerous risk at least that is my understanding. I'll tell ya what someone comes in my house and I shoot them and they fall outside I'm dragging their ass back in and calling the cops.

In my opinion if you break the law you forfeit all your rights and if in doing so a neighbor catches your pathetic ass they should shoot you. I'm sick of all these liberal asses wanting criminals to be given slaps on the wrists just so they can go victimize someone else. No more 3 chances, no appeals, if found guilty they should walk you down a hall and fry you ( more serious crimes of course) I like the laws in what is it india, if you steal they cut off a hand, you rape they cut off your penis, etc. we need to do that here.

1972LT1 08-02-2008 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by firehawk1120 (Post 471054)
Seeing as I'm sick of criminals getting more rights then a law abiding person I love this law. I'm also a gun owner who hates NJ laws. If you shoot some in NJ and they fall outside your house your F'd, they have to be inside your home and be considered a dangerous risk at least that is my understanding. I'll tell ya what someone comes in my house and I shoot them and they fall outside I'm dragging their ass back in and calling the cops.

In my opinion if you break the law you forfeit all your rights and if in doing so a neighbor catches your pathetic ass they should shoot you. I'm sick of all these liberal asses wanting criminals to be given slaps on the wrists just so they can go victimize someone else. No more 3 chances, no appeals, if found guilty they should walk you down a hall and fry you ( more serious crimes of course) I like the laws in what is it india, if you steal they cut off a hand, you rape they cut off your penis, etc. we need to do that here.

Soloman's law....an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth

BigAls87Z28 08-02-2008 02:08 AM

Lets not get carried away here fellas. If we want to get tech, if you shot and killed someonei in defense, you could be sent right down the same death row as someone who shot and killed someone in an armed robbery.

I agree with the Castle law, and I think that NJ needs to loosen them up a bit. If someone is coming into my house, I would rather detain them and have the police come and cary his or her sorry ass and have the courts tear into him.
Now if they come into my house with intent to harm, death.
If they are going to rob my house, and is nothing but a two-bit crack head, then Im gunna detain them till someone can remove said crack head.

Knipps 08-02-2008 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28 (Post 471057)
Lets not get carried away here fellas. If we want to get tech, if you shot and killed someonei in defense, you could be sent right down the same death row as someone who shot and killed someone in an armed robbery.

I agree with the Castle law, and I think that NJ needs to loosen them up a bit. If someone is coming into my house, I would rather detain them and have the police come and cary his or her sorry ass and have the courts tear into him.
Now if they come into my house with intent to harm, death.
If they are going to rob my house, and is nothing but a two-bit crack head, then Im gunna detain them till someone can remove said crack head.

How do you plan on doing so?
And when he's back out in 6 months?

ins0mnia24 08-02-2008 09:25 AM

2 illegal immigrants from Colombia breaking the law and shouldn't have been here anyways..
The Majado's got what they had coming to them it wouldn't have been the last time for them I am sure..

They should run that article in every news paper South of the Border...

BigAls87Z28 08-02-2008 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Knipps (Post 471076)
How do you plan on doing so?
And when he's back out in 6 months?

Something tells me...they aint gunna be coming back...

WildBillyT 08-05-2008 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by firehawk1120 (Post 471054)
Seeing as I'm sick of criminals getting more rights then a law abiding person I love this law. I'm also a gun owner who hates NJ laws. If you shoot some in NJ and they fall outside your house your F'd, they have to be inside your home and be considered a dangerous risk at least that is my understanding. I'll tell ya what someone comes in my house and I shoot them and they fall outside I'm dragging their ass back in and calling the cops.

In my opinion if you break the law you forfeit all your rights and if in doing so a neighbor catches your pathetic ass they should shoot you. I'm sick of all these liberal asses wanting criminals to be given slaps on the wrists just so they can go victimize someone else. No more 3 chances, no appeals, if found guilty they should walk you down a hall and fry you ( more serious crimes of course) I like the laws in what is it india, if you steal they cut off a hand, you rape they cut off your penis, etc. we need to do that here.

If we were 100% error free in our convictions then that would be perfect. Too bad we aren't.

SteveR 08-05-2008 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jims69camaro (Post 470734)
if they come in without a gun, you had better believe they will leave a limb behind when they leave

Its actually better to kill them. If you attack a burglar and let him walk away, he can sue you for assault, even if you were defending yourself in your own home.


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