LOL, perhaps a bit.

i'm gonna have to partially side with frosty on this. All because some teenagers do dumb **** doesn't we all do. We get prejudiced and singled out by cops anyway when they see a teenager driver. Its like having a target on your back. Isn't this letting stereotyping go abit far? I mean yeah i've seen some dumb ass mofos on the road but 50% of the time its also somebody old, (not tryin to be racist, just speaking from experience) an indian or asian person, or these god damn idiots in minivans that think side view mirrors are an automotive vestigial structure. How come they're not gonna come out with tags for senior citizens; their reaction time, eyesight, hearing, motor skills all get worse the older they get yet i don't see them being stereotyped?

I agree teens do dumb ****, but a tag isnt gonna stop someone from being an ignorant driver, its just going to give a cop another reason to harass someone. you wanna stop teen accidents, maybe they should get a better driving test and stricter requirements, instead of the one we have now that a 5 year old can pass with enough effort. there are alot of accidents because people that should never be behind the wheel of a car get their licenses without much effort. people fail the test 4-5 times, finally pass it, and in a year are driving on their own. wtf? makes you feel safe eh?

rant over.

and before neone jumps in with the whole cops are saints argument. I'm not sayin i have anything but respect for law enforcement officers. Most of the times i've been pulled over i've shown, and been shown nothing but respect. there are ones out there though that see a teenager as a target and i've had those once or twice.

i have heard that there is talk that ford is going to sell their vehicles with a "parent key" and a "child key" and the child key supposedly will not start the car after 12 midnight or before 5am and governs the car to 65mph max or something

I haven't read the whole thread, but has anyone brought up the fact that 4th gens have practically all plastic in the back=no go for magnet type decals. Im 17, and there will be no sticker/decal going on my car. I'll get it registered in another state if I have to.

im sure you will end up following whatever law gets passed

they can just push the driving age to 21 then.





remember. driving is a priveledge. not a RIGHT. they can make whatever laws they want and if you want the priveledge of driving you must adhere to them or pay the consequences

Yep, just like I have a front plate on my car...I actually just got back from a trip to Florida looking at colleges, so worse case scenario I'll get the car registered to my aunts house down there, then I don't have to worry about inspection, front plates, or tint:mrgreen:

Ehhh fecck you Vinnie!

Yea, I prob won't be putting a sticker on my car either, talked it over with the parents they agreed.

I already said I'm not sure a tag is worth anything, but it's not like a cop can't see a kid is driving. But kids today are not paying attention to the laws. I read an article in the paper a few months ago where a reporter sat in a high school parking lot and counted the cars driven by students with 3+ kids in the car, which appears to be against the provisional license law. But the cops cannot pull them over just for that. So how do you guys propose the get kids to adhere to the laws?

You cry all day about kids not being treated fairly, but the fact it is just like a credit report. If you have no history it is as bad as having a bad history. Kids have no history, so you judge them by statistical fact. And the facts show kids crash a lot. Welcome to being a grown up. Life can be unfair, deal with it.

That graph I made up before, well, here is a real one from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. I wasn't too far off, huh? Stats have not changed much over the years I guess.

http://www.iihs.org/research/qanda/i...er_people3.gif
And a big part of fatality part for the elderly is they are old and don't heal as easy.

http://www.iihs.org/research/qanda/older_people.html
http://www.iihs.org/research/topics/teenagers.html

And to those asking why the state is 'wasting time' with this, it's called car insurance rates. Lower those ends of that curve and rates go down for all of us. Then politicians can claim they helped push rates down and get re-elected. After the work over the young, then they can use the data to institute programs geared towards the older drivers. By then you guys will be old and be pissed they are targeting older drivers. I giggle at the irony.

Fact is young and old people get in the most accidents by far. You have to handle the kids first because they don't vote and don't pay taxes - no politician has lost his job due to pissing off teenagers. That's life, get over it or go cry in the corner. I say screw the stickers and just let cops pull over cars by making provisional license primary offenses.

Yea that would make more sense, but I think you were the one to point out that there are good laws in place now, they just don't get enforced as well as they should be. I just don't see a sticker changing anything. I mean how hard is it to not put it on, or cover it up?

I just read on the Daily Record website that a lawyer is filing a lawsuit over this law. One of his arguments is we are already labeling teens for crimes that they did not commit, and even better.....he pointed out that we are not making sex offenders put anything on their cars for ID........good point.

When I started driving, I had a friend of mine who was a real idiot behind the wheel. In short he thought his POS Escort was a sportscar and would drive it like he was at the racetrack....now...if the car was something that could have handled the speed I wouldn't have been all complaining about it. There is a sign at Pope John HS that says Speed Kills. Speed doesn't kill...its a combination of car and driver control. If the driver knows how to control a car then speed won't kill. Even my mom who is not a fan of speeding agrees with that.

The only way we end all this is to send teens to those high performance schools and let them learn some real car control that you don't get in the BS six hours required instruction. My dad took me out in the wet and snow to a parking lot and taught me the basics of car control. Because of that I've been able to save cars in conditions that would have been serious accidents.

Anyway...here is the link to the lawsuit story if people are interested.

http://dailyrecord.com/article/20090...fQEKWvJU5WI%3D

"The only way we end all this is to send teens to those high performance schools "

^^how do you pay for that?

"My dad took me out in the wet and snow to a parking lot and taught me the basics of car control. "

BTW, your Dad did good. Kudos to him. Most parents don;t care that much.

Basically if you can't afford it then the parents should teach them, surly in that lifetime of driving experience they should be able to do something.

There is no way to pay for it you got me there. But the basic idea is there. Car control is the key......and people should not have to learn the hard way.

have fun with that, you would have to have an official Florida residence YOURSELF and buy insurance as a Florida resident.. yup that means Florida drivers license

My only concern with your statement is this, while your Dad helping you learn and what not is great, you just can't learn things over a week, hell even over a year. Experience is the only thing that saves drivers. And I think young drivers have way to much confidence in their falsified sense of accomplishment after the driving test.

Mike, he can state his college as his residence and therefore be a resident.

practicing in a parking lot doesn't mean **** when the car decides to get loose on the highway and panic takes over..........only experience will offset panic

not in a dorm, it has to be a house/apartment, he would also have to get the florida license, re-register the car, and re insure the car. then when he moves home he would have to do everything all over again in nj, or keep a house down there so he can keep renewing his registration.

i actually know a couple local people that have done this, so im talking with experience rather than hypothetically.

Yup, never said it was easy, just that it can be done.

it doesn't matter if young or old, you can't fix stupid.

i'm surprised i don't hear the ACLU jumping up and down right about now. don't tell me they are going to go along with this without a peep...

i would be all for having to retake the written and road tests every time the license needs to be renewed. including a physical and eye exam.

inexperienced people might be a problem, but the biggest problem is people that physically shouldn't be driving. i cant even count how many times i have pulled up next to someone at a light and looked over and see that they are on a ****ing oxygen tank

Well, I agree with that. But when you know what the car will do and how it will react to some things then its not as bad. I've had cars get into trouble (yes I will admit some of them were stupid on my part) but because I knew what to do the panic didn't set in. Naturally this is not the same for everyone. I've had a bronco almost spin out on me in blizzard conditions, (4X4 was discovered not to be working), a sable hydroplane in heavy rain and a river running across the road, and most recently, an MR2 step sideways on me when I hit a damp patch of road coming out of a corner on an otherwise dry country road. All three times I knew depending on the car, what I had to do to get out of it.

Trying to argue with a teenager and tell him that he doesnt know everything is like trying to nail jelly to the wall. They're just going to turn around and say "yes we do" or as in the case of some of the arguments here "other teenagers don't know everything, but I know I do"

We've all been there, and it happens no matter how old everyone else gets, there's always teenagers who know everything. I can't tell you how much I've learned since I knew everything there was to know. Nobody's innocent of it, its just a maturing thing that happens well beyond your 17th birthday.

The kids who THINK they're fantastic drivers are the ones who are the worst. You're not. You will not be, until you realize that you have a lot to learn about driving. A perfect example happened to me last week on 287. I was driving along, about to pass a tractor trailer and I was maybe 30+ feet behind him in the lane to the left, when I got a chunk of rubber thrown at my car.. I slowed down and let what I knew was going to happen happen. MASSIVE tire blow out, followed by a nearly jack knifed trailer. How many kids would have been so P.O'ed that a piece of rubber hit their car that they would have gone up and FLOWN by the truck? probably most of them. If I did that, I would have been hit, first with the full tread off the tire, then by the trailer itself.

There's a lot to learn, a year or two or 3 of driving isn't going to give you all of your lifes experiences, sorry.

I still don't know everything. But when you finally admit that to yourself and get off your own high horse, then you stop being a danger to the people in the other lanes.

:werd::cheers::cheers:

Yes, I know that Mike.

And back up to a point brought up about young drivers having more than 1 passenger in the car...There is at least one cop assigned to my school that sits in the parking lot and watches everyone leave. I have seen cops in my town pull kids over just for the fact of having too many kids in the car. Also, my town has implemented a mandatory "Alive at 25" program that I had to take before I could get a parking pass for the High School. Yes, there are some kids that take advantage of the law, but you could say the same about many laws. Just a few months ago there was a 17 year old who died when she flipped her truck on the parkway at 3 am...she wasn't supposed to be out, and ended up getting killed as a result. My point is, it's like smoking cigarettes, if you don't stop breaking the law, something bad is bound to happen.