Oh, my bad. I misread that and thought he sold the GTX.

I can't believe how much rumbling power that 440 makes with basically only a mild cam. Don't even got headers and its crazy!

Dont know if i would call a high 13 second car "Beastly"......

I was really talking about the overall car. More aggressive look, and a bit more power cimpared to the 3rd gens. At least that's how I saw it as a kid lol

IIll own a nice iroc before Im dead. It's on my list of desired cars to own before i die, lol

I've owned countless grand nationals and got tired of no torque,lol would like to own a 69 camaro, 88 SS Monte, an Iroc, an SS impala, from the 90s, chevelle or gto. All in due time.

You may be the only guy on the planet who does not want a Grand National.

Really? They're so finicky with all those sensors. I used to call em sensor eaters,lol. Couldn't keep up with them blowing all the time.

DDont get me wrong, I still love em. But I had em before they were collectables

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Damn mezzy. It matters not if a 4th gen is a better car to drive than a 2nd or 3rd gen (personally perference though). Some folks still like driving on bias ply tires. Regardless of hp #'s, .....bottomline camaros and firebirds will continue to appreciate in value given a long enough timeline....as will vettes regardless of any year. They won't attain the value of 1st gen's but you will see the value increase if the vehicle is in good shape....i happen to be the product of 80s cars and just love the box style look of the monte/cutlass 4-4-2 lightning rod cars, caprices, pre-87 full size pickups and pre '93 s10's etc. From what i see, the majority of folks that have 3rd gens don't feel for the 4th gens that much and vice versa...its a matter of opinion.

i don't get some of this, while i am sure not every 4th gen will be worth millions of dollars just like every 69 is not. it comes down to who wants what and availability, condition, rarity. when i was shopping for my 02 it had to be an ss six speed, that was in 2004. at the time there really weren't that many around with all the options i was going to order my car with, hell i drove to Delaware for it, yes there were some closer but not what i wanted. i overpaid with the financing but i did not care at the time. last year i bought my bosses 71 chevelle for $2,000. while it needs body work i know it was taken care of and has low miles, i think it was a fair price its nothing special 307 powerslide it and does have air. no one knows what the market will do in the future.

I agreed with you in an earlier post 132. 80s cars are awesome. No doubt about it. I owned em all at some point. Gonna start collecting them again.

Starting this thread everywhere huh?

Where else is it?

I wonder if stuff like that was the basis for the ban-hammer over at Camaro Forums.

Everyone here has thrown their opinion into the ring and that's exactly what it is - opinion cause I'm pretty sure no one here has a crystal ball that actually works. However there are a bunch of facts people are hitting on so I decided to throw my 2 cents into it since I am an economy hobbyist.

The actual value of these cars are always going to be determined by the markets and how well the economy is doing. The extra disposable income people have will decide the "big money" factors over true value of the vehicles. Rarity will pay a part, production numbers, the special models or limited runs, and what kinds of choice people made at the times will all play a part into the value of the 3rd and 4th gens. Last but not least, as always, value is in the eye of the beholder.

There will always be models that will hold more value than others: The 1999 Anny TA, 2002 CETA, 35th Anny SS, 30th Anny z28, The 94 Pace car Camaro, and of course the GMMGs, Mecham's Hurst & Harley Davidson TAs, etc. Personally, the demise of Pontiac and the fact that more people bought WS6's instead of plain TA's is a great thing and I hope it skyrockets the value of my car...mostly because its my car. But in reality it will hold its current value for the next 5 ~ 7 years and go up slightly once the 25 year threshold is crossed. But there will most likely be no BIG MONEY in my car, even as rare as it is.

But in 15 years, if Barry O's crystal ball comes to fruition with a humming middle class and growing jobs and lots of GEN X'ers such as myself closing in on retirement with lots of disposable income, there may very well be a boom for the 82~02 F-Body. It will depend upon how much extra people have to spend on the extra's of life.

So the market and economy is going to be the factor that dictates value over all things. Rarity is a false hope because a 1977 Ford Granada is rare as hell, but I wouldn't pay you more than $100 for it.

Some sure targets that will more than likely return the dollar you spent on it or even make you a profit would be:

Factory Built
Any year firehawk (Considered factory even tho SLP in Toms River did the work)
Any anniversary Firebird (15th - '83 Maroon only);
89 Turbo TA and even better is the 20th anny pace car package
88 Factory notchback GTAs (Not a plain GTA with a stupid aftermarket one.
1992 LT1 or Police Package Z28
93 Pace car Z28
94 25th anni TA (Usually in Yellow - aka TA LE)
97 Camaro 30th anni
99 30th anni TA (White and blue; If you see anyone selling an "Inverse Anniversary TA, its a fake - blue with white stripes and white rims)
2002 CETA
2002 35th Anny TA
Super Rare: Harley Davidson TA (only 50 sold in California)

Aftermarket - Must be numbered
GMMG
Mecham
Hurst TA
Police Package Camaro's
Lingenfelter

Hope that helps in your seach.

^what about the 10 dpm tranams

DPM?

purple.

rare <> valuable. I'm not sure color will drive prices too much.

Could be. Same with the gold Camaros.

to clarify I tired to answer "will a certain color substantially drive a price enough to put them on a collectible list". I don’t think so. I do understand some colors are more desirable than others. So a hugger orange 1st gen is probably more desirable than some other colors which might uptick the price, but not substantially.

can you explain this car? yellow 25th anniv?

I think he may be confusing some of the rare 94 Firebird models.

As you know the 25th T/A's were White and blue.

In 94 a handful (Maybe 5 or 6 total) of 25th T/A cars were upgraded to Firehawks by SLP.

In 1994 SLP built a Yellow 94 T/A pilot car. (At the time Firehawks were Formula based).

1983 featured the 25th Anniv. DT500 pace car replica T/A. White over grey.

1984 15th Anniversary T/A was a white car with blue pin striping. Not sure what he means by Maroon.

As far as the 1999 "Inverse" 30th Anniversary T/A's there are two recognized examples out there. One built by Pontiac and numbered "1 of 1." It was given away in a contest in 1999. The other was owner built, but recognized by Pontiac and PHS and given a "2 of 1" dash plaque.

the post mullet crowd will never compete for a 6 figure car, give it up guys and drive the **** outta the cars we enjoy and love. DO NOT ever look at a car as a investment, EVER....