Originally Posted by 79CamaroDiva (Post 576678)

Trying to argue with a teenager and tell him that he doesnt know everything is like trying to nail jelly to the wall. They're just going to turn around and say "yes we do" or as in the case of some of the arguments here "other teenagers don't know everything, but I know I do"

We've all been there, and it happens no matter how old everyone else gets, there's always teenagers who know everything. I can't tell you how much I've learned since I knew everything there was to know. Nobody's innocent of it, its just a maturing thing that happens well beyond your 17th birthday.

The kids who THINK they're fantastic drivers are the ones who are the worst. You're not. You will not be, until you realize that you have a lot to learn about driving. A perfect example happened to me last week on 287. I was driving along, about to pass a tractor trailer and I was maybe 30+ feet behind him in the lane to the left, when I got a chunk of rubber thrown at my car.. I slowed down and let what I knew was going to happen happen. MASSIVE tire blow out, followed by a nearly jack knifed trailer. How many kids would have been so P.O'ed that a piece of rubber hit their car that they would have gone up and FLOWN by the truck? probably most of them. If I did that, I would have been hit, first with the full tread off the tire, then by the trailer itself.

There's a lot to learn, a year or two or 3 of driving isn't going to give you all of your lifes experiences, sorry.

I still don't know everything. But when you finally admit that to yourself and get off your own high horse, then you stop being a danger to the people in the other lanes.

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon (Post 576711)

well if they have too many kids in the car and theyre not supposed to then yes they should get pulled over.



the big problem why no lawsuit like that will ever happen is once again...YOU DONT HAVE TO DRIVE....you can just find alternate means of transportation. dont wanna play by the rules dont play the game. that would be like everyone saying....well speed limits only apply to bad drivers, i can handle it and utter chaos will ensue. its just like when the graduated drivers licenses and everyone through a stink about that...now 7 years later many states have adopted the process. no one is forcing you to drive.



the fact that these kids cant just shut up and take the new laws shows that the exact age group theyre targeting really arent mature enough. way to prove their point.

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon (Post 576711)

the fact that these kids cant just shut up and take the new laws shows that the exact age group theyre targeting really arent mature enough. way to prove their point.

Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 576733)

Whoah, wait a minute. Since when did this become Nazi Germany? They SHOULD speak up about something they don't agree with, they SHOULD protest, write their government representatives and do whatever they can to fight what they feel is wrong.

Rolling over and just "accepting" something shows immaturity, not the other way around.

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon (Post 576734)

i actually fell in the category of first NJ drivers to have to embark through the graduated drivers license law. imagine my horror when i found out that friends who got their licenses 2 weeks before me had a full fledged license and mine was a piece of paper with a hologram on it...thats right...we didnt have the digital up turned licenses you have. we had to carry a piece of paper that looked like a permit with holograms on them.





now saying that and looking back on it....it wasnt bad. i am also 100 times safer behind the wheel at 25 (26 in the summer) than i was when i was 17/18.


trust us. its a monday morning quarterback type of deal. hindsight is 20/20 and may feel its unfair....its a sticker. deal with it. its the law. christ. how hard is that.



im not angry at all, just ticked a lil at people that are in offense to this. if they made it a law that everyone has to drive with a certain hat on...guess what...your wearing a hat. like i said before. you dont have to drive. its a luxary.

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon (Post 576737)

its a law. its a just law. its nowhere near shepparding people into cattle boxes and training them to a concentration camp.


they dont want to single you out...they want everyone else to be aware that your an inexperienced driver and i might give myself a little bit more cushion knowing that when i see it.

Originally Posted by NJNETSFAN (Post 576741)

since you brought up the 17 to 25 age difference and how you have become a much better driver, what about the drivers that are 65+, how come they're not getting stickers? The chart a few pages back showed that they are more dangerous than the "avg" aged driver...

Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 576742)

I'm not saying they're going to be putting people into cattle boxes but to have such a relaxed "it's just a law" attitude can be dangerous. Any time a certain group of people are tagged, singled out or forced into some type of category it should be looked at with the utmost scrutiny.

Originally Posted by Shownomercy (Post 576747)

Its not this law in particular he is upset about, its the mindset of, oh well another law slightly chipping away at our rights...

Thats a scary mindset to get into.

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon (Post 576744)

so you oppose a law that helps enforce another?

Originally Posted by Shownomercy (Post 576747)

Its not this law in particular he is upset about, its the mindset of, oh well another law slightly chipping away at our rights...

Thats a scary mindset to get into.

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon (Post 576748)

once again. first line of the drivers manual.



DRIVING IS A PRIVELEDGE NOT A RIGHT

Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 576751)

Thank you, someone finally f'in gets it.



Irrelevant....you're missing the big picture. We all know it's a right, it's not rocket science to figure it out. However if "kids" are the target who is next? Hmmm, older people. Then who? Perhaps African Americans or the angry white man that just lost his job. Doesn't anger cause accidents? I'm sure we could find a statistic showing road rage incidents involving unemployed people or people making less than stellar salaries...I mean we should tag them in the name of "protecting the public" right?

Can the state come up with these laws? Absolutely. Can we exercise our God-given, Constitution-given right and speak out against it? You bet your ass we can.