it is really simple, same operatingrpm, same effort, only a few more bucks than the older design cam costs. it remains a budget project and makes more power.
more power is more power, if it is 1 ft/lbs or 10 it is a gain. it makes more sense to me to spend a few extra bucks on an updated cam design to have a better average number when putting a combo together than wishing you had later when you are looking for that extra tenth or two.

Depends on the deals you can get. My original setup (before I went EFI) had used Vortecs ($200) that I ported, polished and machined myself for a high-lift cam, bigger springs and screw-in guides. I got a complete Comp Cams K-Kit for the XE284 that cam with the cam, lifters, springs, retainers, locks, seals and a timing set ($300). I got a used Edelbrock RPM intake ($125) and an Edelbrock 750CFM carb that came on the engine that I already had. All things said and done, EA dynoed the combo at 511 peak HP and 509 peak TQ. It's a computer dyno but you get the idea.

its to much to cost for me lol..

im trying to pick a cam first so i can install it and put the motor in then do the vortecs suspension and other **** down the road cause im wiped out of cash, time and might be even more up **** creek

oh now i get it...its not foff...its f off...and i wondered so long the significance of that...

yeah kind of a long story...my friend & I kinda came up with it when I first got on the net back in 98 I guess it was...just kinda stuck so now everyone calls me foff pronounced fawf...whatever.

Oh I finally got to read the rest of his post which too was pointless...He says he doesn't know Tim but yet makes a judgement of him by saying "It also helps if you're a nice guy willing to help others and not a sarcastic jackass." now mind you Tim IS a sarcastic jackass & he's not always a nice guy :lol: but does/has helped others on this board, not only talking & giving advice but wrenching...and he is a nice guy when he has to be hehe.

Also I could care less about your combo & at this point I don't even know how Dirt got into this thread at all other then being dragged in it kicking and screaming :lol: nobody really asked you about your combo and its not even in a car anyhow so it doesnt much matter any way you look at it.

Lastly with comments like "I don't go to NJFBOA parties and dangle my dong in other members' faces when they pass out, nor post up garbage when I'm drunk. That doesn't mean I don't know Chevys and it doesn't mean I don't know Vortecs." it makes me wonder why your hear other then to dog our real members. FWIW the person waving his dong in those pics is not a member on this site that I know of...It is my understanding he is a roomate of a member here...as for whats posted in the lounge eh its the lounge thats what its there for...let boys be boys, personally I don't drink so I doubt you'll be seeing any drunk posts from me anytime soon so if not aimed at me I guess its aimed at the other 1200 members of this site & to anyone who's gotten drunk & posted :shrug:

Have fun continuing making friends over at nasty or the vortec site...maybe you should stay there in the future.

lata
foff

WOW SOME ARE VERY TOUCHY WOW

damn...i gotta stop ignoring threads started by wayfast...im missing all the fun! :popcorn:

some things that i just gotta say..

matt, first off i never meant to bash you in any way, i started out by just playing devils advocate and having you see all the other parts needed to get the setup together. Im sure many members, myself included, are happy you have your mind made up about an engine combo because now progress can be made. My only concern is that what might be a "budget" to others may be slightly out of reach for the beginner still.

Hardline, it seems you took everything stricly to heart. you may love you 406 and thats fine and i admit i dont know the first thing about putting vortecs on an older motor. Hence why i said about looking into pushrods and stuff, i bet you didnt know LS1s and LS6s have different length pushrods. I was actually trying to help him out with some creative criticism. Also, if you care to look back earlier in the thread, not once did matt mention he was actually in touch with dirt R. Had that been said, perhaps everything would have gone different. No offense to matt, but in the past hes changed his mind alot, and im sure i speak for others when i say i thought he just copied parts off the guys site or something. Now that it comes out he was actually talking to him, thats fine. BUT dirt R. is still running quite a different setup than matt will have for a long time and he needs to understand that a built suspension, 3000 stall, 4.56 gears and all will make a car perform a whole lot different than a stock setup 84 firebird. Ok so he will upgrade in the future, thats also fine, but he needs to realize 11's are not gonna happen with just a motor. You seemed to jump on me first in this thread when i mentioned about new pushrods or rockers and then i made a comment that its a small lift compared to my cam, well that was basically a joke, haha get it, besides my cam lift is .603/.609 anyway. Ive helped MANY members out from this site and many other car people, f body or not who arent on here, so don't you or dirt judge me on that. Finally, you say ported polished your own heads, soemthign i dont think matt is capable of yet, but then you also said you dynoed your setup on a computer dyno.. besides the fact i dont trust those, i assume you also flowtested your heads after the work in order to enter the info into the comp. the head work can vary alot from person to person if its done at home, so comparing stuff like that can(not always) be misleading. Stuff like that does matter and all info needs to be stated when posted here in a public forum, because other members, ive seen it on other boards too alot, will think everything is clear cut and simple, and then dont get it when they dont have the eaxct same results.

In closing, i dont consider one persons setup a "proven combo". you could build 10 seperate "budget" engines and garunteed youd get different results with each. If Matt wants to do this engine setup, thats great and i'll still try to offer any possible advice i could. but my main point is sometimes the cheap way isnt always the best, spending a few bucks more here and there will always pay off in the long run.

isn't lenny the one who started the foff thing? i know the whole 667 thing started when they couldn't think of a name for the bowling team and i told yet another one of my retarded jokes(667 The Neighbor of the Beast)

:popcorn: I love this thread.....

667 would actually be across the street from the beast....664 and 668 would be his neighbors

:owned:

Well, no one ever said that it was a next-door neighbor, so as far as I'm concerned, someone who lives across the street is still a neighbor.

[/hijack]

Now, back to our regularly scheduled thread.......

- Justin

len just gave me some suggestions...667 was the name of the bowling team that I mysteriously wasnt invited back to :lol: at first I tried to get foff or something to that nature(an ICP thing) but it was taken so len suggested foff667 lol so that worked & stuck eversince.

an xe284 wont be out of the question thanks to hardline for mentioning it to someone.

now can i use my locks and retainers from my xe262 kit? I want to use either set of the heads i have now before i get vortecs because of my budget, I also want to get dynoed with every step, I know it sounds gay but what ever..

Engine or chassis dyno? Either way, it's money you should probably consider spending elsewhere.

its mad true but if its on a dynoday, for this club i wouldnt mind.

mad true

How the hell can something be "mad true"? Is the truth mad? Is the false sad? Is the non-fiction angry? Is the fiction smug? Since when are you rollin' hard with teh Edison gangstaz?

This thread is Eff Tee El

Matt, you will prolly be able to use the locks and retainers that come with the 262 kit, just check the part numbers on their site. That's what I did when I bought my XE274 cam. I originally bought the xe268 to toss in my 305, then I was thinking about using it in the 400. Decided to upgrade, and I looked on their site....they sent the same springs/locks/retainers with both the 268 and 274 'K' kits, so I just bought the 274 cam and used all the stuff from the other kit.

- Justin

All this and you don't have $20 for a proper manual. :roll:

it wont work together


hey I have 20 bucks for a manual, I just might need 20 bucks for something more important in the soon

:twak: I'm just gonna use the shop manual to prop up my coffee table then. I guess I just don't see the point of having parts you don't know how the hell to put on. Forget it, I'll sell it on Ebay and make some money. :loser:

What ever, its a bad situation and I only have about 1 more week of waiting before we know....