What the hell are you guys talking about with not enough distractions? Holy crap there are enough out there now w/o texting, cellphones and 3 other high schoolers in the car. To even insinuate that they will be worse off a few years from now because they were not allowed even more distractions is asinine.

"That's what happens when someone young dies, people are quick to pass these reactionary laws....it's happening everywhere... "

Getting past calling it 'Kyleigh's Law', the stats show it is far from knee-jerk. They passed the 1st laws a few years ago, and it proved to be not enough (although IMOP that is because they were secondary offenses). So now more. Hopefully it helps a bit and then the next time an old guy plows into a store front they can begin to tackle the elderly drivers, even though the AARP will call that knee-jerk too. Although stats again prove otherwise.

Going strictly off stats is a weak arguement, I mean look at our prison systems, remind me again of their effectivlness?

While its good to see things being done to help the situation, why didn't the laws get enforced to begin with?

Just off of personal experiance, my parents refused to let me drive after 11pm, I fail to see why more parents can't step up and do something to keep their kids out of a casket.

In this case stats are very elightening. Don't muck up the converstaion with unrelated ancedotes.

What part of secondary offense is hard to understand? A cop coud sit outside a highschool and watch car loads of kids pull away and not pull them over.

Most parents don't do that.

Fine, no more random anecdotes.

I thought they changed it to a primary offense?
I just fail to see how a sticker on a car will make young kids drive better, thats the problem at hand. Giving more tools to law enforcement will not make me drive better... Dunno how they figure that stuff out...

It's easier to create another law instead of fixing the actual problem...like I said a few pages ago the "driving test"(and I use that term weakly) is a joke...at least it was back in 98 when I got my license(I was 18).

Maybe DMV should change the way it tests drivers...just a thought...it certainly wouldn't hurt. It'd help to weed out the bad drivers from the very beginning, at least in theory it would.

And this is why I brought up the fact that a cop sits outside of my high school. I HAVE seen local cops pull over cars with more than 1 person in them just for that reason.

Ha, my ex failed her test the first time. :rofl:

But yea, tougher, longer tests would be good. When I went through it, it was like no matter how stupid you were the state gave you a lisense. Make it hard to pass and don't give in to people that don't pass.

Sticker is stupid, I think there is agreement on that.

Frosty I agree the driving test is near-useless. I'd be all for making is much harder, I'm just not sure how to pay for it.

Until now the P/L laws were secondary. I believe they are now primary. If they pulled kids over strictly for p/l rules (and not some other reason, speeding, belts, etc) when it was secondary than that was wrong. Although that is what they should be able to do.

Well do kids under 18, REALLY need to drive? I mean yea, look at you driving to school, so cool. But a def needed thing?

Why don't they raise the driving age to like 20?

Vinnie, well, sorry, but sucks for you. lol

how about sticking a person going for a license in a car in a controlled environment and wrecking it. that should help :)

i believe they are all primary offenses now too.

IDK, I laughed at the "horror" vids they showed us before prom and what.

what changes from 17 to 20? most young kids have jobs they are driving to. maybe they should be limited to a certain type of vehicle with hp/weight that is easily manageable by new drivers. basically stick them in go karts

Well the biggest difference would be older ish kids are not in high school and aside from sweet ass tough guy street racing, the main danger to their lives is removed. One young driver by himself is better than a car of them.

i agree that if you were driving alone, you would be more responsible.

haha. Well I do have a job and I had a job before I had my license, but it was tough to always find rides. Yes, people can argue it's a convenience and not a necessity, but to them, I say this: :moon:

Yea, but you are an exception, I did the same thing while in high school, took to many classes and had to be there an hour early, so driving was a needed thing. However that being said, maybe make it so drivers under 20 can drive between school hours only? Give or take an hour or so diffference.

Well the biggest problem is people need to learn how to drive at some point. I don't see how raising the driving age, to the point where people are working and going to college is going to help that. It might just make things worse. What we need is a system like Germany......one of the hardest tests in the world.

I failed mine first time because of the f***ing parallel parking, even though I was doing maneuvers that were much higher in difficulty in my own driveway. Threading through two or three cars and parking in front of the garage on a hill and turning is not easy. We never see parallel parking anymore other than in the cities so where is the value of that skill? I would put the test scores on actual driving and signals and etc more than the damn parallel parking part. I didn't hit anything when I did it and he claimed I crossed the double yellow line when I did it. There was no way I was going to not cross it. WTF. The guy was an a-hole anyway. End rant.

I don't see how that helps people improve their driving skills if the mantra is theres no substitute for experience. The more you drive the better you should get (in theory anyway). :-?

what would you like to know?

LOL, I forgot the term for it, but the rate of prisoners that end up right back in prison after release.

..stay on topic...

recidivism

im going to have to disagree due to the fact that i know me and many of people will be much more wreck less alone then with other people because as messed up as it sounds we care less about our own lives then our friends so we drive more responsibly with others just my experience

So like 90% of the teenage driver accidents would just happen to involve a car load full of teens at random?

Statistics are against you, me, and the rest of the mature(ish) young drivers.

i completly agree. i drive way more wreckless when im by myself