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Mezzy 01-15-2013 12:53 AM
Is a stock 4th gen F body quicker than a 1st gen F body?
 
Wondering what would win a quarter mile race, a 350 from 1967,68, 69? Or the computer technology of an LT1 or LS1?

Mike 01-15-2013 01:17 AM
Google wins every time. By a large margin

NJ Torque 01-15-2013 05:23 AM
LS1.

stealth355tpi 01-15-2013 07:13 AM
Not even a race, ls1 has it all day long.

Mezzy 01-15-2013 07:40 AM
Idk. You could get a 350 w 375 hp no?

Mezzy 01-15-2013 07:41 AM
Google mike? Did I miss somethin lol?

BonzoHansen 01-15-2013 07:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mezzy (Post 867368)
Wondering what would win a quarter mile race, a 350 from 1967,68, 69? Or the computer technology of an LT1 or LS1?
LS 4th gen wins. Decent tires on BBC car and the margin all but disappears.

Featherburner 01-15-2013 07:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mezzy (Post 867385)
Idk. You could get a 350 w 375 hp no?
No!

Mezzy 01-15-2013 07:55 AM
What about a 375 hp 350 in a 1st gen? That's an extra 100 ponies. I say hp is hp

Mezzy 01-15-2013 07:55 AM
It was an option

Mezzy 01-15-2013 07:56 AM
At least I'm pretty sure It was. I mean, i wasnt their, but Ive read it was an optoon in my camaro books.

BonzoHansen 01-15-2013 07:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mezzy (Post 867396)
What about a 375 hp 350 in a 1st gen? That's an extra 100 ponies. I say hp is hp
he just told you it didn't exist. really?

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                                    1967          1968          1969
                                          late                early    late
Base L6
  L26    230ci/140HP  L6 1BC    20,643          22,322        17,588
Optional L6
  L22    250ci/155HP  L6 1BC    38,165          28,647        18,660
Base non-SS V8
  LF7    327ci/210HP  V8 2BC    102,409          124,870    44,746
  L14    307ci/200HP  V8 2BC                                        68,487
Optional higher hp non-SS V8
  L30    327ci/275HP  V8 4BC    25,287          21,686
  LM1    350ci/255HP  V8 4BC                                10,406
  L65    350ci/250HP  V8 2BC                                        26,898
SS models
  L48    350ci/295HP* V8 4BC    29,270          12,496        22,339
  L35    396ci/325HP  V8 4BC            4,003    10,773          6,752
  L34    396ci/350HP  V8 4BC                      2,579          2,018
  L78    396ci/375HP  V8 4BC            1,138      4,575          4,889
  L78/L89 396ci/375HP  V8 4BC**                      272            311
Z28
  Z28    302ci/290HP  V8 4BC              602      7,199        20,302
COPO models
  L72    427ci/425HP  V8 4BC#                                  800-1000 est
  ZL1    427ci/430HP  V8 4BC##                                      69
---------------------------------
 * rated 300HP in 1969
 ** Al head option
 # COPO 9561, cast-iron
 ## COPO 9560, Al block/heads
http://www.camaros.org/engine.shtml

Featherburner 01-15-2013 08:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mezzy (Post 867396)
I say hp is hp
You'd be wrong...gross vs. net!

Featherburner 01-15-2013 08:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BonzoHansen (Post 867399)
he just told you it didn't exist. really?

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                                    1967          1968          1969
                                          late                early    late
Base L6
  L26    230ci/140HP  L6 1BC    20,643          22,322        17,588
Optional L6
  L22    250ci/155HP  L6 1BC    38,165          28,647        18,660
Base non-SS V8
  LF7    327ci/210HP  V8 2BC    102,409          124,870    44,746
  L14    307ci/200HP  V8 2BC                                        68,487
Optional higher hp non-SS V8
  L30    327ci/275HP  V8 4BC    25,287          21,686
  LM1    350ci/255HP  V8 4BC                                10,406
  L65    350ci/250HP  V8 2BC                                        26,898
SS models
  L48    350ci/295HP* V8 4BC    29,270          12,496        22,339
  L35    396ci/325HP  V8 4BC            4,003    10,773          6,752
  L34    396ci/350HP  V8 4BC                      2,579          2,018
  L78    396ci/375HP  V8 4BC            1,138      4,575          4,889
  L78/L89 396ci/375HP  V8 4BC**                      272            311
Z28
  Z28    302ci/290HP  V8 4BC              602      7,199        20,302
COPO models
  L72    427ci/425HP  V8 4BC#                                  800-1000 est
  ZL1    427ci/430HP  V8 4BC##                                      69
---------------------------------
 * rated 300HP in 1969
 ** Al head option
 # COPO 9561, cast-iron
 ## COPO 9560, Al block/heads
http://www.camaros.org/engine.shtml
I guess my "NO!" wasn't sufficent for him. You put way more effort than I would have, thanks!:wink:

BonzoHansen 01-15-2013 08:13 AM
he seems to like being wrong.

Mezzy 01-15-2013 08:15 AM
It is sufficient,lol I just thought they did. How do you post the stats so quickly?

Mezzy 01-15-2013 08:17 AM
Would you pay all that money for those cars?

Blackbirdws6 01-15-2013 08:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mezzy (Post 867410)
It is sufficient,lol I just thought they did. How do you post the stats so quickly?
The information is available on the internet. Pretty easy to search.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mezzy (Post 867413)
Would you pay all that money for those cars?
If I had buckets of money, I would love to have a few nice, rare examples of 60's/70's muscle cars in my collection.

Mezzy 01-15-2013 08:22 AM
Me too. I'd want a 69 rs/ss big block with all the performance options I can swallow, lol yellow with the black

BonzoHansen 01-15-2013 08:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mezzy (Post 867413)
Would you pay all that money for those cars?
People do or they wouldn't sell at those prices. I'd certainly rather have a 70 Chevelle SS BBC than any 4th gen. And very clean 'drivers' start at $40,000 and quickly rise from there. And it's not all about raw performance numbers.

WildBillyT 01-15-2013 08:23 AM
350 would be blown out of the water by almost a full second. Same with the Z/28.

Mezzy 01-15-2013 08:30 AM
I'd love any 68,69,70 chevelle bb as well. I grew up dreaming of owning one. Kid in school had his dad get him one. A 68 w a 396. His dad owned a body shop. He was lucky. Didn't appreciate it and sold it. Thus was 1990. Now he' kicking himself, cause it was an original 396 car. I would've went to the grave in that car.

Mezzy 01-15-2013 08:51 AM
Thanks for all ur knowledge. It's greatly appreciated. You guys are fun to chat with and I enjoy learning from those who were their.

WildBillyT 01-15-2013 08:56 AM
No problem!

Performance for some of the cars was great, but not for most. Also keep in mind the gross vs. net hp stuff.

Mezzy 01-15-2013 08:58 AM
Yeah bill, I'm not gettin.g what you mean there. Can you please explain? I k ow the industry started to measure the hp at the wheels instead of the crank. Is that what you mean?


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