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qwikz28 04-22-2009 04:41 PM

Wheel weights on 5th gen Camaro Calipers
 
What the heck is this for? I don't buy into the whole resonance thing, i think its insane. Check it out!

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...t=19161&page=1

BigAls87Z28 04-22-2009 04:51 PM

Wow...thats really upsetting.

KirkEvil 04-22-2009 05:09 PM

Haha, engineers trying to fix their last minute mistakes

cdacda13 04-22-2009 05:41 PM

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Gentlemen As far as the brake weights go I heard from a fellow in the GM plant, the brakes were squeeling and by weighting the calipers the squeel went away Brembo has, since then sent a new batch of calipers to correct this problem Hope this helps
I hope that GM really didn't ship out a known to be defective product.

enRo 04-22-2009 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cdacda13 (Post 578902)
I hope that GM really didn't ship out a known to be defective product.

Times are tough :nod: I like the comment of "Done to add extra weight in order to give the Stang and Challenger a fighting chance" :lol:

Ian 04-22-2009 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cdacda13 (Post 578902)
I hope that GM really didn't ship out a known to be defective product.

its not defective, the 4oz. of wheel weights fixed the problem!

HeadlessNorseman 04-22-2009 10:45 PM

Im not so sure how adding stiky weights cuts down on vibration. Normally as far as instruments go, adding weight increases vibration. And the fact that there is glue inbetween the weight and the lead...wouldnt redue any kind of vibration. Oh well!

NastyEllEssWon 04-22-2009 10:48 PM

i dont think its for vibrations. i think its like they said, to weigh down the brakes so they dont squeal as much

Ian 04-23-2009 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by isphius (Post 579129)
Im not so sure how adding stiky weights cuts down on vibration. Normally as far as instruments go, adding weight increases vibration. And the fact that there is glue inbetween the weight and the lead...wouldnt redue any kind of vibration. Oh well!

adding weight to a stringed instrument allows less of the vibration to be absorbed by the body of the instrument...at least I think thats how it works...

Blackbirdws6 04-23-2009 07:04 AM

If you are getting a vibration (resonance) in the system, changing its weight can change the frequency at which is will vibrate. Seems like they may have been getting close to a harmonic freq. (think of that bridge that went all wavy and fell apart) and this solved the problem.

Just hope the weights don't fall off and they recall these calipers for the owners that have this on their cars.

Blackbirdws6 04-23-2009 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by isphius (Post 579129)
Im not so sure how adding stiky weights cuts down on vibration. Normally as far as instruments go, adding weight increases vibration. And the fact that there is glue inbetween the weight and the lead...wouldnt redue any kind of vibration. Oh well!

Really depends where it's added. However think of this. Take a metal ruler, put it on a table with a good deal hanging off this table and flick the end. It will flex back and forth at a certain height and speed. Put a weight on the end and do it again. The deflection may be greater but the frequency should be slower.

Tsar 04-23-2009 07:55 AM

Ahh, one of many reasons not to buy a first year production car...

qwikz28 04-23-2009 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsar (Post 579189)
Ahh, one of many reasons not to buy a first year production car...

i agree with this statement. and I can only imagine those weights flying off during a track day. Not good

BonzoHansen 04-23-2009 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon (Post 579133)
i dont think its for vibrations. i think its like they said, to weigh down the brakes so they dont squeal as much

"squeal" is often vibration/movement


maybe this is not real? A goof? a test car?

Tsar 04-23-2009 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen (Post 579193)
"squeal" is often vibration/movement


maybe this is not real? A goof? a test car?

There were quite a few members in that thread who reported the same problem, including cars at the dealerships... Sad really.

sweetbmxrider 04-23-2009 09:39 AM

quality

Jensend 04-23-2009 12:47 PM

Even when taped with aluminized tape, adhesive weights have a tendency to come off when subjected to the heat generated during hard braking. This is just due to the heat transferred to the rim softening the glue. Imagine how much more heat is naturally in the body of a caliper. Can only hope that this is an assembly line gag.

Considering the cost of the new Camaro, I can't imagine anyone who'd knowingly accept delivery of a car that actually needed those weights to have the calipers function "normally". If this is true, it doesn't say much for either Brembo or GM. Would like to think it's a hoax.

sweetbmxrider 04-23-2009 01:51 PM

i was kinda thinking the same with the heat transfer....

HeadlessNorseman 04-23-2009 09:15 PM

Even if its not a hoax i was just thinking that whoever came up with it is probably a better engineer than any of us...unless we have any mechanical engineers here. Im leaning towards a hoax either by a worker or just on the internet.

NJSPEEDER 04-23-2009 10:37 PM

If anything I would say it is a much nicer solution than the dampers they put on 3rd gen rear calipers or the huge isolators that a lot of cars use.

Tsar 04-23-2009 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by isphius (Post 579474)
Even if its not a hoax i was just thinking that whoever came up with it is probably a better engineer than any of us...unless we have any mechanical engineers here. Im leaning towards a hoax either by a worker or just on the internet.

I sure hope those were not the same guys who designed the opti and put it under the water pump... or designed those pesky 4th gen window motors!

LTb1ow 04-23-2009 11:39 PM

And hey now! Some of us are MechEs!

As for the opti, well, we all have bad days...

Tsar 04-25-2009 12:54 PM

Here's an official answer:
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Spokesman John Fitzpatrick said the weights were added as a damper to reduce noise and only early build cars would need them.
http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightlin...es-it-too.html



On a totally different note. BMWs solution looked much more pleasing to the eye than stick on weights.

Frosty 04-25-2009 01:03 PM

Beats me, I guess it's better than pushing back the release of them until Brembo fixes the problem? I guess....though with GM in the spotlight for various reasons that's not the message I'd want to sent taxpayers and potential customers...

Tsar 04-25-2009 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 580060)
Beats me, I guess it's better than pushing back the release of them until Brembo fixes the problem? I guess....though with GM in the spotlight for various reasons that's not the message I'd want to sent taxpayers and potential customers...

Oh no doubt that GM did it so the car is not delayed again. But they did not put the weights on the caliper to balance the wheel, as previously suggested. :rofl:


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