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spina74 06-02-2010 07:21 PM

Roller rockers issues
 
Ok, I have this issue where my rockers keep coming loose. I constantly have to tighten them down, and I don't care how tight I make the set screw they keep coming loose. How do you guys avoid this from happening?

LTb1ow 06-02-2010 07:24 PM

Poly locks?

How much preload are you using?

I use 3/4 preload and then really tighten down the poly lock.

RamAir95TA 06-02-2010 08:57 PM

Tighten down the set screw as tight as you can get, then turn the polylock AND set screw TOGETHER 1/16th of a turn.

LTb1ow 06-02-2010 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RamAir95TA (Post 707853)
Tighten down the set screw as tight as you can get, then turn the polylock AND set screw TOGETHER 1/16th of a turn.

LOL, a 1/16?

Featherburner 06-02-2010 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LTs1ow (Post 707862)
LOL, a 1/16?

Something wrong with 1/16?

LTb1ow 06-02-2010 09:44 PM

Just seemed crazy to try for with a box wrench is all. I found it amusing.

RamAir95TA 06-02-2010 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LTs1ow (Post 707862)
LOL, a 1/16?

You can't go much past 1/16th of a turn when you turn the two together without meeting heavy resistance. I've found that 1/16th of a turn (or 22.5 degrees, if you will) is a happy medium between locking the polylock and set screw in place without affecting any additional lifter preload.

LTb1ow 06-02-2010 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RamAir95TA (Post 707902)
You can't go much past 1/16th of a turn when you turn the two together without meeting heavy resistance. I've found that 1/16th of a turn (or 22.5 degrees, if you will) is a happy medium between locking the polylock and set screw in place without affecting any additional lifter preload.

Yea, I always use the wrench to make sure I don't change the preload and then really crank down with the allen key tool for the poly.

bubba428 06-02-2010 11:05 PM

I like to score the threads. I use an old rocker nut with the top smashed with a sledge. that way it'll maul the threads just enough that it'll make a lot of friction but not so much as to damage the stud or the lock.

Pampered-Z 06-03-2010 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RamAir95TA (Post 707853)
SET THE PRELOAD, THEN BACK OFF 1/16th, Tighten down the lock, THEN tighten down the polylock AND set screw TOGETHER 1/16th of a turn.



spina74 - You also want to make sure the stud itself isn't loose

bubba428 06-03-2010 04:41 PM

never had rocker issues, and I'm on my 5th cam swap doing it that way. only engine issue I've ever had was a rod bearing in an engine that got personal with a few trees. I'm not quite done with my current engine so at the moment 0, to answer your question.

bubba428 06-03-2010 06:14 PM

how do you think factory nuts stay in place, at least on a gen1 small block? the nuts have pressed sections that bite the threads. I just installed a set of full rollers on mine. the tracks the factory nuts leave on the stud provide a good resistance to the poly lock. just waiting for a few parts so i can get it in the car. I lost the f***ing motor mount bracket.

LTb1ow 06-03-2010 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bubba428 (Post 708042)
how do you think factory nuts stay in place, at least on a gen1 small block? the nuts have pressed sections that bite the threads. I just installed a set of full rollers on mine. the tracks the factory nuts leave on the stud provide a good resistance to the poly lock. just waiting for a few parts so i can get it in the car. I lost the f***ing motor mount bracket.

Not to be off topic, but really dude?

You are physically damaging the threads so they stay?
Ever hear of loctite or similar? All the benefits of ruined a stud's threads, without all the ruining!

With the proper preload, and then tightening of the poly lock, there really is not even a need for loctite let alone thread ruining.

Ha, thread ruining... :rofl:

spina74 06-03-2010 08:12 PM

i do half a turn then I lock down the set screw, I do my rockers while the engine is running, i dont know if that makes much of a difference with the tightening process.

LTb1ow 06-03-2010 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spina74 (Post 708101)
i do half a turn then I lock down the set screw, I do my rockers while the engine is running, i dont know if that makes much of a difference with the tightening process.

I dunno, but I always find that doing it cyl by cyl, valve by valve works best. Slow, but accurate.

bubba428 06-04-2010 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LTs1ow (Post 708067)
Not to be off topic, but really dude?

You are physically damaging the threads so they stay?
Ever hear of loctite or similar? All the benefits of ruined a stud's threads, without all the ruining!

With the proper preload, and then tightening of the poly lock, there really is not even a need for loctite let alone thread ruining.

Ha, thread ruining... :rofl:

that's how an OE rocker nut works. its not pinched to the point that they destroy the stud, just enough to grab the thread. you install poly locks on studs that recently had fresh OEM nuts on them there is going to be some bite to it. the engine i have now, the last set of rockers were OE with new nuts. the stud thread had minor scoring from the fresh nuts. made the poly locks stay nice and firm in place


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