well i tried looking at it and when i jacked up the car it hit the ground so i had to pull it off, so now my exhaust is just a little loud, Hmm mufflex s an idea too, whatever i buy now ill probably end up selling when i switch to LTs, so with a better exhaust ill get more cash back. lol. i'm going to the town administrator tomorrow and taking a bunch of pics i took, before during and after removal of the cat back, along with pics of the driveway and street. MY gf said to get them to pay for a borla or corsa and then buy a $400setup and keep the extra. heres the pic of when i first looked under, you can see the pipe twisted and pulled down.