Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Sicklerville, NJ/McGuire AFB
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Re: Some vette owners are okay in my book...
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Originally Posted by Fasterthanyou
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Originally Posted by Fastbird
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Originally Posted by Fasterthanyou
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=82
What a funny story. That Jesse (aka Ski_down_it) is a complete moron. He's blown up a couple members engines, his engine, and Paul's 1st motor. I've read some of those threads and it makes me feel good all over. All these "mail order tuners" competing against each other and then there's kvu, a guy that isn't all that knowledgable but at least knows that a tune should be done hands on. These guys just have too much money and not enough time... proof is where there are threads popping up where they're comparing different mail order tunes against each other. Oh, and Jesse's chip came in last... again, hahaha what a **** up.
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That link just brings up a generic tuning forum title page there, but if it's the story I think it is (where he and Alvin from PCMforless get into it a bit) then I know the one where you're talking of. Alvin called that guy out a few weeks ago because this dude set up a tune for a guy whom Alvin subsequently tuned, and Alvin compared the two .bin files. The one guys stuff had almost no changes, and the "emissions chip" that was sent was the exact same. Alvin called him out big time.
Your statement about mail order tunes I feel is generic and uneducated. Don't take offense to that please, it's just how I feel. I've personally worked with Alvin and Bryan, the two PCMForLess guys, and their mail order tunes are probably some of the closest to optimal tunes you'll ever find. Both of them have gigantic databases of files with all sorts of combinations they've done in the past, and many of those are dyno tunes that they've done in person. Heck, I personally watched Alvin upload a baseline tune into a CC306/stock head car just a few weeks ago, and make ONE dyno pull. It was spot on. Made 2 more pulls to be sure. No changes. Even when I had my head/cam package put on my car two summers ago, the tune was almost nailed on the first shot. Just needed about 3% fuel up top. If that's not well worth it compared to paying the $500 it would cost around here for a dyno tune, then I don't know what is.
Your implication that a mail order tune is crap is unfounded. Granted a dyno tune you would be able to eek every last bit of HP out of the car, but 9 times out of 10 it's not going to be much. I guess my point is that these guys (that I'm speaking of at least) have been doing this for a LONG time and aren't just coming up with changes on the fly for each tune request that comes in. |
And let's see where I can tell you you're unedjucated. First off, I never said dyno tuning was important so shake that out. Secondly, you're VERY far from having an opinion if you think a dyno will show an engine is "spot on"... and then have no actual ET's to compare it too. Face it, dyno's are for loosers, real men tune for the quickest ET. Woops, I said it, dyno's are for loosers... especially if that's as far as you're going to go with a tune. Dyno's are great for getting an engine tune CLOSE, not perfect and especially not "spot on." Another thing, how is it he uploaded 1 program and then you guys watched 3 dyno pulls with the same program and came to the conclusion it was near perfect? How do you know it was if he didn't try anything BUT that tune?  Another thing, with these mail order tunes it's too often that you WILL get a nearly stock chip because they are only trying to get your money and there is no face to face acountability... at least dyno tunes have that.
I guess I don't think you're opinion of me is very well founded :P . Oh, and do you know how large my database is? No, and want to know why that's just a bunch of BS, because ever car is different, even the one's that were copied have differences that can't be seen (quality control). JFYI, my "tuning" directory is 250mb and I won't even tell you how many directories I have.
I know I shouldn't be bashing these guys because they are my competition and it doesn't look good but for christ's sake, a dyno tune being "optimal", HAHAHA, who ever thinks that is out in left field. Not to brag but I was just called out so I guess I should shove in some more leverage, I've tuned on water brakes, eddy currents, double rollers, single rollers (interial), AND dc electric dynomometers in the past 3 years. I'm by no means an expert but I know who is and people doing mail order are NOT (from the people I've met) experts in the field of tuning. They're just opportunists. The experts work for REAL companies that are trusted by GM, Ford, Honda and the like to do their real tuning. I'll listen to those guys and the guys that aren't oppertunists like my friends in the DIY world that have nothing to gain except respect through knowledge. |
*Edit* I'm not going to start a war. Chill out.
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