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Originally Posted by shane27
ok once AGAIN, the governent isnt spying on us, their spying on terrorists. we have rights, they need a reason to by spying on you, thhir not just gunna tap your phone line and listen.
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And tell me, which branch of government issues those warrants?
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Originally Posted by shane27
and. our founding four fathers or whatever the F they are
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I really, honestly should deck you across the face for saying that.
I have said it before and I will say it again. there's a few reasons why this country was founded. Recent NJ events have sparked a little discussion on taxation without representation, which was a main theme in the Declaration.
But why did most of the settlers come here? For many of them it was because they fled places where people would be arrested for no reason and never heard from again. To prevent this from happening in the new country, there's something called the writ of HABEUS CORPUS, and it's been one of the major guardians of the people's freedom. What does it say? Things like that you can not be arrested without a cause, you have the right to a timely and fair trial, and you are innocent until proven guilty. What has the Bush administration done? Ignored all of that. Little something too called the GENEVA CONVENTIONS... look it up... bans torture of prisoners. Guantanamo Bay much?
And don't bring up the weak argument of "well they aren't playing fair so why should we"... because, well, it's not necessary.
Oh and please, not singling anyone out here, but if you're in a serious conversation and making a persuasive argument, at least make an attempt to use correct spelling, and maybe even grammar?