[BigAls87Z28]

GM made tons of mistakes, I will agree on that, and I would even say that even now there is a large mob inside GM that is fine with business as usual.

But, there were huge moves made by people inside GM. Im not spinning it, im reporting exactly what happend. GM was looking up, just read old reports.
Im not going to stand here and say that for the last several decades that GM let everything slip away. They made more stupid mistakes that have cost them market share, but I will not admit that they failed the way you say they did.
GM was trying to change as fast and as hard as possible. They were burning cash at an amazing rate, funding hybrid programs, compact car programs, and investing millions of dollars and thousdands of man hours into the Volt program.
The SUV's were the money makers, no doubt, and that money was needed to restructure the company.
Its not GM's fault that the banks failed to govern themselves after any and all regulation were stripped away after 8 years.
It sucks that GM had to be propped up by the goverment, but it was something that had to be done in order to save this country. Had we lost GM, this country would have fallen into a massive depression.
Suppliers would have fallen one by one, making it impossible to make vehicles in the US anymore without outside soruced parts.
It needed to be done. It sucks, but without it, we would have been in a serious world of ****.
Big 3 opened up plants in other parts of teh world to get away from the UAW, not to **** America over. Do you think that the import manufactures would build cars here in the US if they HAD to use union workers? No way.
They would have went to Canada and Mexico as well. GM is a global company, and they can and do make cars for certain parts of the world in certain places based on economies of scale.
How many plants are there in Mexico and Canada vs America? 1/3rd the number.
But, Canadian plants are known for some of the best quality out there, and thier work is cheaper not to mention that they have national health care which eliminates that cost.
GM makes two-three cars in Mexico. Some trucks, the HHR, and the new SRX.
GM has a lot of other plants in Mexico to make GM cars for Latin and South America.

Here is an example of a GM screw up.
GM makes the Astra in Mexico and Europe. Same car, two different plants, different powertrains, but the same car none the less.
In Mexico, its sold there as a Chevy.
In Europe, an Opel.
Where did GM import the Astra when they brought it here to the US for Saturn? Not the cheaper Mexico, but Europe.
Not that has any bearing on this conversation, but just a stupid move on GM's part.


I didnt agree with Chrysler because Chrysler had zero goals, plans, or products set in place to improve.
They threw together a few half-baked electric cars for car shows, but none will ever make production.
Chrysler had nothing at all to show any sort of case for a cash infusion.
They were failures. They still havent shown a single stride to improve its line up. Every chrysler vehicle is a total failure in its segment, with poor quality, design, and engineering.
Only stars in the line up are the Ram trucks and half of the Jeep line up. Cerbrus showed no signs of trying to make a car thats worth it. They just wanted the money to fund thier lost from buying Chrysler.
IMO, the goverment gave Fiat several million dollars to buy Chrysler.