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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen
If that is GM's stance it is very arrogant, or stupid, depending on your vantage point. I have the ability to buy, I like it the car in a general sense, I considered it, but ultimately decided against it, and GM doesn't care why I said no? I know a number of big camaro fans, they own multiple ones, the go to shows, they race, etc., who wanted to like it but ultimately decided to buy a challenger or a mustang. Does their input not matter either? Only people who already bought one can be involved? So I guess you're out too huh?
More arrogance and condescension.
I don't see IRS mentioned here but I love it. I love the entire drive trains of both the V8 and V6 cars. I understand from a number$ POV why the stripper model is off the books, it won't even cost less! lol But it is still a legitimate question that someone could answer why.
"I'd also want to know if the trend of oversized wheels will begin to reverse course given the adverse impact it has on mpg and handling. I'd think cafe standards will dictate improved unsprung weight and reduced moment of inertia" My question on the wheel packages is a legitimate question considering the CAFE standards being forced down automakers throat. You can make all the snide comments you want that wheels over 18" are great and it's just old guys not liking the look, blah blah blah but that does not change the laws of physics. Those giant combos hurt MPG, braking and handling. And our stupid govt is forcing MPG changes. I for one am concerned about the 2nd killing of muscle cars. But I guess we can't ask about that, too stupid of a question.
So in short, if not an superior fanboi we can't be involved. got it. And to be quite honest, if the conversation is only about in dash nav and trim options, it's a waste of everyone's time. Except fanbois.
Sorry to the OP, but Al belittling on everyone on a Camaro fan website because they don't unconditionally love the new one grinds my gears. Besides, he answered all the questions. |
First off, I didn't say you had to unconditionally love the car. Never once did I say that, at all. In fact, I made it a point to come up with several factors about what can be fixed in a car. And never did I say that you have to own one to comment about it. What I said was that this forum is a poor place to ask for questions, based on the membership.
As for all the "Camaro" fans that bought a Challenger or Mustang, they also had to sacrifice comfort, visibility, and big honkin wheels. Someone who purchased a Challenger or Mustang over a Camaro did because of design. But when the day is done, and the numbers are tallied, more Camaros hit the road month after month than the other two, sometimes combined. So that tells me that what you think about its design, its weight, its big stupid heavy wheels, and its poor visibility is MOOT!
What you want fixed will not be fixed. What you, and many others, are looking for, is something that will not be fixed till the next generation, and then, you will still have something to complain about.
If you want to voice your opinion about the weight of the vehicle, or its poor visibility, so be it, but that will not effect the current car, and that is all the marketing manager will be addressing when he talks about the car. Sure, he will say "We are looking into areas where we can improve on the Camaro for the future, and we will take into account the many emails/facebook posts/tweets/letters/phone calls for future production."
My qualms about asking this question here is not that it's a Camaro forum, because it's not. It is a place where people gather to ******** about the cars they have now, the things they are working on.
As for the wheels, get used to it. Wheel size is another cosmetic upgrade that enhance a vehicle's appearance. Chevy Cruze Eco I drove for a week has 17 inch wheels, and pulls down 42mpg. Prius and Volt both have 17's. New Buick LaCrosse eAssist has 17's standard alloys, as will the Malibu eAssist.
Yes, killing muscle cars. Like they did in they 70's and 80's? Then the 90's? Oh, how about when they tried to kill them in the 00's? Oh wait, I can get near 300hp turbocharged 4cyl, a 450hp Mustang, twin turbo V6 Ford products out the ass, 560hp Cadillacs, 640hp Corvettes that do 205mph.
Yeah, death the muscle car.
Our gov't is killing it? No, Americans are. Americans, as a group, don't know when to say "enough" because we are greedy bastards. Two ways to slow down the use of oil: 1- Make the OE's make more efficient vehicles or 2- Tax the **** out of the oil, slowing your consumption.
Years and years of smoking warnings, hundreds of lawsuits, tons and tons of education about "STOP SMOKING" but people kept lighting up? Odd...
But, not a pack of cigs are almost 10 bucks? Why? Taxed out the ass. Surprise, smoking is on the decline!
EPA has been enforcing CAFE since the 70's, yet the average MPG of the nation hasn't really budged. Why? Because GM went from making 15mpg V8's cars to 25mpg V8's SUV's. Years and years of being drilled about saving the earth, cleaning the air, saving the polar bears, didn't do a damn thing because gas was a buck a gallon.
Then 2006-2007 comes, and ZOMG, 3.50 A GALLON?!?!?! **** THIS ****, IM OUT!
Truck sales drop in the ****ter, SUV's are a dime a dozen, and every OE...I mean EVERY OE is diving into product development, trying to find something that gets better MPGs.
Now, gas is 3.50 a gallon again, and what is GM's #2 best selling car? The 38-42mpg Chevy Cruze.