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Originally Posted by 1320B4U
Not following you but for the sake of arguing go ahead...price jump from prev model to newer one is to be expected...redesign, avail options over its predecessor, retooling, etc all adds the cost..understood however offering a lessor warranty doesn't sit well with most consumers. I can't see how anyone feels this is a great move on the part of the consumer or how it may affect sales. There's obv a reason why they pulled it, the cost of repairs after x (60k) amt of mileage was used quite often and costly to gm ...otherwise they would have left it.
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I don't understand, are you saying you now agree with what I stated?
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Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon
This is the problem with that situation. GM tried to show good faith to their customers by extending the warranty period to try to compete with other brands that have done the same...except GM's products dont stack up to the other when it comes to overall quality, fit and finish. Even if this decision wasnt based upon inflated warranty claims, it certainly looks like it was when you revoke the program. They shouldve just sat firm with the rest of the auto companies out there.
On a side note my Saturn Ion recently died at 200,000 miles and we were shopping new cars and went to look at some cars and GM didnt really have anything on the lot that had the fit and finish that Ford is carrying these days. I was impressed by what the blue ovals doing honestly, their entire lineup is nice.
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So you are going to tell me that chysler and hyundai are the #1 and #2 powertrains available, as this is what the warranty implies? You are going to say that mercedes and bmw have poor fit and finish as they both offer the lesser warranties? Are you currently shopping at kia for their excellent warranty offering? Is their fit and finish greater than bentley, rolls, etc?
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Originally Posted by The_Bishop
Why would you say "brand x or brand y over brand z, always?" Brand loyalty is a fools game. When I went truck shopping and ended up with my dodge, I looked at all the domestic trucks out there. Ford had nice fit and finish, but at that time the only motor available was the modular motor, which is an overcomplicated pile of unreliable crap with no torque. That ruled out ford. It was a toss up between GM and Ram. The GM, at almost the same MPG, was shy 80HP and almost the same torque compared to the Hemi. Also, to get the decent motor, you needed to pick upscale (and expensive) models. I'm not a big fan of the extended cab doors on them, either.
The Ram had a 395HP Hemi, 20" wheels, 4wd and a sporty look (minus all the damned gaudy chrome geegaws on the GM numbers) with power windows, locks, AC, and no fancy extra crap in the Express trim. It handles better, drivers nicer, and was notably cheaper than the equivalent GM models. The extended cab setup has discrete doors for the rear seats, and the rear seats are far more comfortable, too.
Am I a Ram 'fan'? Nope, I just liked what they offered more than the other brands. Brand loyalty is a losing game, buy what fits your need.
In the two years and 25k miles I've used my truck, I have had zero issues with it.
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I would expect 0 problems in 2 years and 25k miles. I have a tj wrangler with 61k miles and have had 0 problems. I have performed routine maintenance, that's it. Most of what you went for was what suited your taste in appearance and comforts, not so much the powertrain offering. Gen 3's and 4's are a fantastic platform, no questions asked. Your 20 inch wheels like to eat up chryslers weak steering and suspension components. Gm still has grease fittings on their components, improving their longevity. Chrysler always has a cheaper feel to them and the quality of their components are inferior to that of ford and gm, they are a smaller company so it is to be expected. Speaking to brand loyalty, why did you only look at domestic pickups? Gm's diesel is the best out there in the light-duty field. They were also using allisons behind some of the larger gas offerings, another unbeatable setup. I would love to see a cost to own comparison on your hemi vs a comparable gm setup. From what I gather, your 16 plugs are due every 30k miles. You take an additional quart of oil per oil change. How would this stack up against your fuel mileage savings? Its getting a little off topic in my reply but I think there is more to vehicle ownership than the basic comparisons most everyone looks at initially. I don't want to get into the fit/finish either as I'm not a body man. I do have a friend that has been in the body shop biz since before I was alive and we constantly butt heads in the chevy vs ford debate. He tells me that gm does have better fit and finish than the other domestics and also has strong dislike towards chysler products even though he owns an 08 wrangler unlimited. I guess we have a different perspective being in the repair industry so its hard to completely explain the viewpoints when its simply what you see and feel and compare on our day to day 9 to 5's.