2006 Charger

[BigAls87Z28]

Well...all the rumors of a 4dr "RX-8" style "coupe" seem to be wrong, and its a good mix of 300 and Magnum.

here is the link to allpar.com

http://www.allpar.com/cars/lx/dodge-charger.html

BUT ITS GOT A HEMI!!

[NJSPEEDER]

i have only seen a few picsw and read 2 or 3 articles about it. nice lookign car, but what a tank. i guess dam-chrys thinks there is room enough for another big ticket wanna be muscle car in the market place.
weighed down by every power feature imaginable, even the new hemi is only going to motivate that thing to mid/high 14's.
i do like the looks of the car. they managed to carry a few of the old styling cues into the newer design in a tasteful manor and the color selections are supposed to be a total throwback(they dusted off sublime and panther pink for the mag shoots i have seen so far).
hopefully they will thin the car a little or find a way to throw more power into it before they actually hit teh street and get laughed off the strip.

later
tim

[79dizZy28]

damn, IMO they're ruining the name of my favorite car of all time
now on the other hand, that blue '69 on the bottom of that page i'd do anything for

[DaytonaDan]

the look of the car disappoints me greatly, the car needs to lose 2 doors(and atleast 500 lbs, C/D has the curb weight at 4100), its almost as disappointing as the look of the new GTO, whcih appears to be a grand prix on steroids (sorry to all those who believe the new GTO is awesome)...car companies need to stop ruining classic names with ugly body styling...

[BigAls87Z28]

I wouldnt call the GTO "ugly". Maybe not exciting or in your face as teh TA's were, but its deffinatly not "ugly".

[Pat]

Originally Posted by DaytonaDan

the look of the car disappoints me greatly, the car needs to lose 2 doors(and atleast 500 lbs, C/D has the curb weight at 4100), its almost as disappointing as the look of the new GTO, whcih appears to be a grand prix on steroids (sorry to all those who believe the new GTO is awesome)...car companies need to stop ruining classic names with ugly body styling...

haha don't mess with al

[TheWraith]

Originally Posted by DaytonaDan

the look of the car disappoints me greatly, the car needs to lose 2 doors(and atleast 500 lbs, C/D has the curb weight at 4100), its almost as disappointing as the look of the new GTO, whcih appears to be a grand prix on steroids (sorry to all those who believe the new GTO is awesome)...car companies need to stop ruining classic names with ugly body styling...

what was the original gto?? a tempest with a big motor. How could the look of the new gto be any more fitting without going retro (which GM said they won't do)? i wouldn't pass judgment on it either until you drive one. sure the looks are pretty cookie cutter, but the performance certainly isn't, and the interior is 10 steps past anything else i've ever seen in a gm car.

obviously you're entitled to your opinion though.

i will say what i see of the new charger is less than impressive though.

[BigAls87Z28]

Talkin and I agree on few things in the past, but the GTO is one

The GTO is THE best sports coupe you can buy right now.
The new GTO is everything the old one was, and then some. Anyone who doesnt think the GTO is much needs to drive one and feel it. No, it wont blow the doors off a 04 Cobra, but it will impress you. Good seat hight, great power(and even more on tap next year) and an AWESOME interior that rivals the best out there. Holden makes a great car, and Im glad to see that GM did what they could to get this car here ASAP.

All this while the new Mustang runs the 1/4 what the Camaro did back in 98....yeah, whoopty doo.

[TheWraith]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

The GTO is THE best sports coupe you can buy right now.

i think you captured it right there. A lot of people are probably pissed that it's really not a muscle car. It's a sport coupe. hell, even more of a luxury sport coupe to be honest. it's not supposed to be an f-body replacement, and it's not aimed at the mustang in my opinion. Compare it to the lincoln ls, or the bmw 3 series/M3, or any of the other cars in that segment and you'll see just how amazing it is in terms of price, performance, and luxury.

of course that brings up a completely other argument of should the gto nameplate be on anything but a muscle car? i'm sure there's some argument there, but i don't have a problem with it.

[BigAls87Z28]

aye, good point with that.

I brought it up on another site, and Ill bring it up here. The idea of muscle cars and pony cars and all this really needs to merge into a new, more modern catagory.
Muscle coupe or Muscle Sport Coupe or something.
Muscle cars had its day back int he 60's and 70's, and yes we still can use the term, but even the most advanced Muscle car of teh 60's or 70's cant hold a candle to what GM, Ford, or DCX can do now outside of strait line performance. Now its mroe about the total package then just nailing it down the 1320. To call any modern sports car a "muscle car" would almost be blasphemy. But I guess the muscle car moniker will be around just like the "Hemi".

Anyway...is the GTO a muscle car? In the modern, 21st century deffinition...yes. Does the new GTO live up to the old one? Big hp engine, mid sized car, manual transmission, RWD, and Pontiac grill....sounds good to me.

[DaytonaDan]

you guys are both right, i know the new gto can out perform many other cars and that includes the OLD gtos, and i know the old goats got started on a tempest platform, but it still looks like a grand prix :P

[Pat]

Originally Posted by DaytonaDan

you guys are both right, i know the new gto can out perform many other cars and that includes the OLD gtos, and i know the old goats got started on a tempest platform, but it still looks like a grand prix :P

dude, don't make me post pictures of a 66 gto and a 66 grand prix

[TheWraith]

Originally Posted by SilverTransAm

dude, don't make me post pictures of a 66 gto and a 66 grand prix

66 grand prix: http://www.pontiacpower.net/pictures/66gp07a.jpg
66 gto: http://canadrance.free.fr/html/photos/66gto.jpg
66 bonneville: http://www.kentuckycarclubs.com/1966...onnieville.jpg

69 gto: http://www3.sympatico.ca/janca/GTO/Features/haruk-f.jpg
69 firebird: http://www.theclassicfirebirdclub.co...9-Firebird.jpg


pontiac has been doing this forever, not to mention most every car manufacturer. hell they're even making cars and trucks look alike anymore just for the brand recognition. every pontiac car looks the same from the front. the 4th gen birds looked a lot like sunfires too.

[EVIL90SS]

Im glad to see now that every car company can ruin a good thing, horrible lookin i think..and 4 door....eeek, well GM f-ed up the GTO and ford...well we dont talk about ford..now i guess it was chrystlers turn, cant wait till they possibly remake the chevelle...prob looks just like every other car like the rest....my opinion about new/retro/reborn cars....they suck donkey dick ! i got an idea for GM, remake a 55 chevy 210, but make it rounder with 4 doors and some 22in gay wheels and build it off of some other ****ball chassis like everything else, oh yea....a big f-in wing .....retro cars can kiss my white ass.

[skorpion317]

GM didn't mess up the GTO at all. the Holden Monaro (which the GTO is based off of) was introduced in 1998. it fit what a GTO should be better than any other car in GM's lineup. the styling may be a snooze, but that's because GM made a quick transition from Monaro to GTO. the only real redesign on the car was the grille.

[DaytonaDan]

Originally Posted by skorpion317

GM didn't mess up the GTO at all. the Holden Monaro (which the GTO is based off of) was introduced in 1998. it fit what a GTO should be better than any other car in GM's lineup. the styling may be a snooze, but that's because GM made a quick transition from Monaro to GTO. the only real redesign on the car was the grille.

thats exactly it, they rushed perfection, so they got a rushed look...glad to see i'm not the only one who was disappointed

[skorpion317]

Originally Posted by DaytonaDan

thats exactly it, they rushed perfection, so they got a rushed look...glad to see i'm not the only one who was disappointed

it's not a rushed look at all. they didn't have time to extensively change the Monaro. the two cars are pretty much the same, except for the grille.

[DaytonaDan]

Originally Posted by skorpion317

it's not a rushed look at all. they didn't have time to extensively change the Monaro. the two cars are pretty much the same, except for the grille.

they should have named the new car the Monaro 7999 or some stupid arbitrary number at the end then, not just added GTO tags and a pretty etchin on the seats

[NJSPEEDER]

Originally Posted by skorpion317

it's not a rushed look at all. they didn't have time to extensively change the Monaro. the two cars are pretty much the same, except for the grille.

how much woudl you guys change the highest selling sport sedan in australia before selling it in another market that teh look of teh car tested well in market surveys?
any large company like gm does not rush into these things. the proof is that the gto badges and lieknesses had their copyrights renewed 4YEARS before the car was imported. (about 8months ago they renewed all teh "judge" stuff, can't wait to see what they do with that)
in an age where it is becoming more common for a car to go from computer redering to production in 2 years they took 4 looking into things.
the styling was choosen because the medium aggresive look and stance goes directly after the bimmer and benz crowd that the car is seeking to steal its market share from.

later
tim

[TheWraith]

i think the only thing that you people really are disappointed about with the gto is that it's called the gto. gm enthusiasts have been screaming for years to bring the holden offerings to america, since gm has been seriously lacking in decent rwd v8 offerings, especially for the 03 model year. it was a bold move on gm's part to call it the gto and hey some people might not like it, but i seriously can't believe that any one of you as gm and f-body enthusiasts would not at least admit that bringing a car like the gto/holden monaro here is a big step in the right direction, whether you're digging the styling or not.

[DaytonaDan]

Originally Posted by TalkingGoat

i think the only thing that you people really are disappointed about with the gto is that it's called the gto. gm enthusiasts have been screaming for years to bring the holden offerings to america, since gm has been seriously lacking in decent rwd v8 offerings, especially for the 03 model year. it was a bold move on gm's part to call it the gto and hey some people might not like it, but i seriously can't believe that any one of you as gm and f-body enthusiasts would not at least admit that bringing a car like the gto/holden monaro here is a big step in the right direction, whether you're digging the styling or not.

That is exactly what i was sayin, I think it was a good move to produce the car, and it has a great engine and the styling is rather dull but not ugly, i just dont see the GTO in the car, but hey its just an opinion...

[ar0ck]

Needs more "Coupe-ness"

[BigAls87Z28]

Yes...because 2 doors and teardrop greenhouse doesnt make it "coupey" enough?
Biggest problem most people have with the car is that its called GTO. If this was the Pontiac "Monaro", then everyone would be like,"Why didnt they put hood scoops on it and call it a GTO?"

Like it was pointed out before with reference to the GTO looking like the Grand Prix, and if you look back at old GTO ads, and car review, they said teh same stuff back then how it looked like a "lame Tempest" and how it didnt look like anything serious.
To us now, for thoes who didnt grow up durring the muscle car age, treat Muscle Cars as these mythical giants that roamed the streats, jumping around from huge cams, glasspack mufflers, and all this other drag strip glory when in fact they were just warmed over cars that were already in production.
Take a look at the SS heritage. At first, the SS was just a trim package. You could get an I-6 Impala with SS trim for a few bucks. Only now does SS have this super-natural power to make cars street monsters.

Understand that the GTO was in fact just another GM car, built off the same chassis as the rest of teh B bodies.

The GTO looks like every other de-cladded Pontiac...because it infact IS a Pontiac! Hell, even the Vibe has taken on a more traditonal Pontiac grill.

The present GTO follows almost exactly the same formula what the past GTO did. Sedan-based Coupe, big V8, manual transmission, killer dual exhaust, and of course...who could forget Wide-Track performance!!

If you do not like the GTO because it looks tame, thats fine. But to say its not a GTO or other isnt true.

[skorpion317]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Yes...because 2 doors and teardrop greenhouse doesnt make it "coupey" enough?

i think he meant the Charger, not the GTO. i agree, the Charger needs to look more "coupey".

[skorpion317]

look what else that site says about some upcoming cars:

1. the neon will end in 2006 and a replacement jointly developed by Chrysler and Mitsubishi will come in. the return of the DSM's?

2.The Lancer EVO will come to the US as a Dodge, with extensive Chrysler involvement in engineering in the two door version. The four door will be primarily worked on by Mitsubishi engineers, though members of the Neon ACR team are helping them, thanks to their strong rally and SCCA success.

3. the Crossfire will be leaving soon.

4. the Viper might get a 10-cyl version of the Hemi. unlikely, but there's rumors.