 |
|
09-02-2006, 09:30 PM
|
#1
|
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Edison
Posts: 7,856
|
What do you think?
Motor:
77 4 bolt main block bored .030 over
speed pro flattops .030 over
cam = 241/249@.050 .525/546
bowtie raised port heads fully ported
2.02/1.60 manley stainless valves
port matched victor jr intake
holley 750 dp
110gph fp
And hedman shorty headers and a dynomax 2.5 catback.
What gears and tourque converter will I need?
__________________
1984 Firebird
2000 Z28
2023 Tacoma
|
|
|
09-02-2006, 09:34 PM
|
#2
|
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: west orange nj
Posts: 2,415
|
go for it
|
|
|
09-02-2006, 10:22 PM
|
#3
|
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: sayreville nj
Posts: 2,175
|
forgot to tell ya the cr is 9.73-1,what size are the headers u have,
__________________
#1 1989 RS - 3.0L V6 11.0-1 CR, LIGHTENED CRANK,J.E FORGED PISTONS, CUSTOM 280/284 .575/.575 116LSA ROLLER CAM, PORTED HEADS, PORTED INTAKE,CUSTOM TURBO KIT W/ BW S475,AW INTERCOOLER,METHANOL INJECTION, TCI STREETFIGHTER 700R4 W/ TCI 4,500 STALL,TWIN WALBORO 255'S & 83# INJECTORS
268 rwhp & 367.6 ftlbs @ 10 psi 3.1l
12.30's @ 112 3.1L @ 9 psi
??.?? @ ???? 3.0L @ 18 PSI
|
|
|
09-02-2006, 11:12 PM
|
#4
|
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Edison
Posts: 7,856
|
whats another cam option?
mods/admins is it possible to move this thread to the lounge for more hits?
__________________
1984 Firebird
2000 Z28
2023 Tacoma
|
|
|
09-02-2006, 11:20 PM
|
#5
|
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Edison
Posts: 7,856
|
voodo 227/233@.050 489/504 int/ex LUN-60103LK
voodo 241/249 .525/546 int/ex lun-60105lk
edelbrock 232/234 .488/.488 int/ex edl-5002
any suggestions
__________________
1984 Firebird
2000 Z28
2023 Tacoma
|
|
|
09-03-2006, 01:05 AM
|
#6
|
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Point Pleasant
Posts: 1,809
|
I'm asuming 350 block... Look into a desktop dyno?
__________________
-Vinnie
94 2wd SBSC Gmt400. 330CI LSX, Fast 102, Trickflow 205s, close ratio nv3500, 4.30/trutrac.
|
|
|
09-04-2006, 07:03 PM
|
#7
|
11 Second Club
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Fishkill, NY
Posts: 1,278
|
That is a big cam, is this a street car?
__________________
-Nick
9/11/01- Never Forget
2002 Pontiac Trans-Am WS6 # 206
Chasing 10's
469RWH/437RWTQ
11.05 @ 123
|
|
|
09-04-2006, 11:20 PM
|
#8
|
9 Second Club
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 114
|
You got the raised runner head and you want to run a shorty header? That exhaust is only going to kill that whole setup. Get a real size exhaust for it. Get the heads flowed at a good shop and have them help with a cam. This is the best way to figure this out. You are probably going to need more compression with those heads also. You are going to need a decent gear with that setup especially if the car has any weight to it. Probably need at least 4.10 with a decent size tire of 28 inches tall. I would make sure you get a good fuel pump and that carb might need to be worked on a little to work on those heads, depending on how everything flows. Just remember everything needs to work together and be matched to maximize performance.
Ken
|
|
|
09-04-2006, 11:57 PM
|
#9
|
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: sayreville nj
Posts: 2,175
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by vegaken
You got the raised runner head and you want to run a shorty header? That exhaust is only going to kill that whole setup. Get a real size exhaust for it. Get the heads flowed at a good shop and have them help with a cam. This is the best way to figure this out. You are probably going to need more compression with those heads also. You are going to need a decent gear with that setup especially if the car has any weight to it. Probably need at least 4.10 with a decent size tire of 28 inches tall. I would make sure you get a good fuel pump and that carb might need to be worked on a little to work on those heads, depending on how everything flows. Just remember everything needs to work together and be matched to maximize performance.
Ken
|
wait wayfast u have shortys? u didnt tell me that,veg i actually bumped the cr back upto almost 10.5-1 should be fine on pumpgas as long as he keeps the timming conservative,considering we run 12.3-1 on one of out 440 motors and that thing has never had anything more then pumpgas in it.wayfast thos eheaders deff arent gonna work,when u told me u had headers i thought u had long tubes.
__________________
#1 1989 RS - 3.0L V6 11.0-1 CR, LIGHTENED CRANK,J.E FORGED PISTONS, CUSTOM 280/284 .575/.575 116LSA ROLLER CAM, PORTED HEADS, PORTED INTAKE,CUSTOM TURBO KIT W/ BW S475,AW INTERCOOLER,METHANOL INJECTION, TCI STREETFIGHTER 700R4 W/ TCI 4,500 STALL,TWIN WALBORO 255'S & 83# INJECTORS
268 rwhp & 367.6 ftlbs @ 10 psi 3.1l
12.30's @ 112 3.1L @ 9 psi
??.?? @ ???? 3.0L @ 18 PSI
|
|
|
09-05-2006, 12:01 AM
|
#10
|
2007 Member of the Year
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Seabrook, TX
Posts: 14,281
|
timing has 1 m
__________________
WF=DF
Kommandant of the ACL (Anti Canadian League)
Quote:
Originally Posted by LTb1ow
Junk the pos, spend the money on beer, acquire headache.
Same result cept this headache doesnt last months.
|
|
|
|
09-05-2006, 12:15 AM
|
#11
|
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: sayreville nj
Posts: 2,175
|
doh i always do that to same thing with dinner(diner)
__________________
#1 1989 RS - 3.0L V6 11.0-1 CR, LIGHTENED CRANK,J.E FORGED PISTONS, CUSTOM 280/284 .575/.575 116LSA ROLLER CAM, PORTED HEADS, PORTED INTAKE,CUSTOM TURBO KIT W/ BW S475,AW INTERCOOLER,METHANOL INJECTION, TCI STREETFIGHTER 700R4 W/ TCI 4,500 STALL,TWIN WALBORO 255'S & 83# INJECTORS
268 rwhp & 367.6 ftlbs @ 10 psi 3.1l
12.30's @ 112 3.1L @ 9 psi
??.?? @ ???? 3.0L @ 18 PSI
|
|
|
09-05-2006, 12:20 AM
|
#12
|
2007 Member of the Year
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Seabrook, TX
Posts: 14,281
|
you eat dinner at a diner
__________________
WF=DF
Kommandant of the ACL (Anti Canadian League)
Quote:
Originally Posted by LTb1ow
Junk the pos, spend the money on beer, acquire headache.
Same result cept this headache doesnt last months.
|
|
|
|
09-05-2006, 12:26 AM
|
#13
|
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: West Long Branch
Posts: 13,598
|
you always ask for seconds of dinner at the diner.
__________________
2/20/2013: They Day the ****s Stopped
|
|
|
09-05-2006, 08:39 AM
|
#14
|
Co-Founder / Site Admin
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Ewing, NJ
Posts: 22,476
|
If you are really gonna go through with buying this motor, I would go with a more mild setup than what you have plans for in that first post.
Maybe stick with a set of Vortec heads (great heads, cheap pricetag), and look into Comp Cams Xtreme Energy line of cams.
- Justin
__________________
1999 Camry - Beigemobile DD
2002 Suburban - Wife's DD
2004 Grand Cherokee - Not running / Project / Selling?
|
|
|
09-07-2006, 05:35 PM
|
#15
|
I will beat you with a toaster!
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 6,054
|
 I think that cam is a little too big...
__________________
___________________
|
|
|
09-07-2006, 07:15 PM
|
#16
|
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 3,530
|
remember with that motor your going to need to beaf up the rest of the drive train, stock stuff isnt going to cut it.
|
|
|
09-07-2006, 08:29 PM
|
#17
|
11 Second Club
Join Date: May 2006
Location: oak ridge nj
Posts: 50
|
mine is 355 4 bolt 74 block, scat crank, stock rods, 9.5 speed pros, world products sportsman 2 heads, comp cams 520,540 lift cam (solid),prof prod cross wind manifold,roller rockers, msd e curve dist, 600 dp holley. so far 11.99 in full weight 74 z very sim to what you got goin on
|
|
|
09-07-2006, 08:56 PM
|
#18
|
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: sayreville nj
Posts: 2,175
|
ive found hime a diff manifold.its a dualplane manifold that fits those heads.instead of 9.7-1 im gonna bump it to 10.0-10.3-1,cam im still looking into but i gota know what hes gonna do about those shorty headers,and his rear gears and his converter first
__________________
#1 1989 RS - 3.0L V6 11.0-1 CR, LIGHTENED CRANK,J.E FORGED PISTONS, CUSTOM 280/284 .575/.575 116LSA ROLLER CAM, PORTED HEADS, PORTED INTAKE,CUSTOM TURBO KIT W/ BW S475,AW INTERCOOLER,METHANOL INJECTION, TCI STREETFIGHTER 700R4 W/ TCI 4,500 STALL,TWIN WALBORO 255'S & 83# INJECTORS
268 rwhp & 367.6 ftlbs @ 10 psi 3.1l
12.30's @ 112 3.1L @ 9 psi
??.?? @ ???? 3.0L @ 18 PSI
|
|
|
09-07-2006, 09:00 PM
|
#19
|
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Edison
Posts: 7,856
|
Im getting long tubes probably hedmans inless I can get a trade for some other long tubes, I am gonna do true duals with high flow cats to reversed glasspacks. eventually. I need to know what cam and gears to buy. they will also be changed
__________________
1984 Firebird
2000 Z28
2023 Tacoma
|
|
|
09-07-2006, 09:04 PM
|
#20
|
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: sayreville nj
Posts: 2,175
|
what size primarys are the headers?
__________________
#1 1989 RS - 3.0L V6 11.0-1 CR, LIGHTENED CRANK,J.E FORGED PISTONS, CUSTOM 280/284 .575/.575 116LSA ROLLER CAM, PORTED HEADS, PORTED INTAKE,CUSTOM TURBO KIT W/ BW S475,AW INTERCOOLER,METHANOL INJECTION, TCI STREETFIGHTER 700R4 W/ TCI 4,500 STALL,TWIN WALBORO 255'S & 83# INJECTORS
268 rwhp & 367.6 ftlbs @ 10 psi 3.1l
12.30's @ 112 3.1L @ 9 psi
??.?? @ ???? 3.0L @ 18 PSI
|
|
|
09-07-2006, 09:06 PM
|
#21
|
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Edison
Posts: 7,856
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by lethalrides2k3
what size primarys are the headers?
|
no clue yet.. I need some cheap headers that arent cheap
edit probably theese
HOK-2138HKR
from summit
I gotta sell my headers and things first
__________________
1984 Firebird
2000 Z28
2023 Tacoma
Last edited by WayFast84; 09-07-2006 at 09:17 PM.
|
|
|
09-07-2006, 09:23 PM
|
#22
|
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: sayreville nj
Posts: 2,175
|
gota find either steped headers,or something with atleast 1 5/8ths primarys.best bet would be 1 3/4 + single 4 inch ex system.Duals with rear exits are gonna be costly
i do have a set of 1 7/8th headers but there gonna be a lil bit on the large side
edit
those are to small wayfast "HOK-2138HKR"
__________________
#1 1989 RS - 3.0L V6 11.0-1 CR, LIGHTENED CRANK,J.E FORGED PISTONS, CUSTOM 280/284 .575/.575 116LSA ROLLER CAM, PORTED HEADS, PORTED INTAKE,CUSTOM TURBO KIT W/ BW S475,AW INTERCOOLER,METHANOL INJECTION, TCI STREETFIGHTER 700R4 W/ TCI 4,500 STALL,TWIN WALBORO 255'S & 83# INJECTORS
268 rwhp & 367.6 ftlbs @ 10 psi 3.1l
12.30's @ 112 3.1L @ 9 psi
??.?? @ ???? 3.0L @ 18 PSI
Last edited by project89; 09-07-2006 at 09:27 PM.
|
|
|
09-07-2006, 09:59 PM
|
#23
|
2007 Member of the Year
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Seabrook, TX
Posts: 14,281
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by WayFast84
I am gonna do true duals with high flow cats to reversed glasspacks.
|
why why why why why why WHY
__________________
WF=DF
Kommandant of the ACL (Anti Canadian League)
Quote:
Originally Posted by LTb1ow
Junk the pos, spend the money on beer, acquire headache.
Same result cept this headache doesnt last months.
|
|
|
|
09-08-2006, 08:45 AM
|
#24
|
Admin.
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Hamilton, NJ
Posts: 20,165
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by WayFast84
I am gonna do true duals with high flow cats to reversed glasspacks.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage_Messiah
why why why why why why WHY
|
|
I agree with Savage EGR.
Just go with a nice 3” system. You goofball. You have to stop thining about this stuff.
__________________
Vent Windows Forever!
The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or so I have read.
Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
|
|
|
09-08-2006, 11:06 AM
|
#25
|
Co-Founder / Site Admin
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Ewing, NJ
Posts: 22,476
|
I still don't think that a dual plane intake is the answer. Those heads are gonna kill the velocity of incoming air at lower RPM, which will keep the motor from being very streetable, which is what he posted up that he wants.
You can easily build a motor that will run 12s in a full weight thrid gen and still be plenty streetable, but I doubt it with those heads. You need a cam, heads, and an intake that are all designed to make power in the same RPM range in order to make a combo work. Those heads are designed for high RPM horsepower, so sticking a dual plane and a mild cam on them aren't gonna do crap for streetability. It'll most likely just run like a turd.
- Justin
__________________
1999 Camry - Beigemobile DD
2002 Suburban - Wife's DD
2004 Grand Cherokee - Not running / Project / Selling?
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
|
|