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12-19-2008, 08:20 PM
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Music "file sharing" to get much more expensive...
Music industry to team up with ISPs to "crack down" on Music "File Sharing".... Discuss...
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/31678
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12-19-2008, 08:21 PM
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NJFBOA Co-Founder
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The millionaires want more money. No big surprise.
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12-19-2008, 08:23 PM
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guess I better go get that 1.5TB hard drive and fill it up before this starts happening! 
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12-19-2008, 08:52 PM
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i wonder if it affects torrents...
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12-19-2008, 08:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Iroc-z86
i wonder if it affects LEGAL torrents...
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That is my question. I don't d/l copyrighted stuff, but I needs my concert recordings....
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12-19-2008, 11:11 PM
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Is this saying that using stuff like limewire is now being enforced?, sorry but I didnt understand what was being said in the link.
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12-19-2008, 11:16 PM
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Proxy Servers FTW.
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12-20-2008, 09:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by enRo
Proxy Servers FTW.
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But if they team up with the ISPs how does a proxy server help? Doesn't the ISP still know who you are?
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Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
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12-20-2008, 10:09 AM
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Ayatollah of Rock N Rolla / Admin
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W/E.
They will knock one service down and then another will take its place.
I wonder how they will determine which packets are illegal music or video. It's not like they say "ILLEGAL **** FTW" in the TCP header.
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12-20-2008, 10:39 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BonzoHansen
But if they team up with the ISPs how does a proxy server help? Doesn't the ISP still know who you are?
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RIAA will have to have an IP address in order to determine who the pirate is... then they can contact their ISP... using a proxy server uses another IP address, so how can they detect you in the first place? For all we know the IP address of the proxy server could be in Texas somewhere.
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12-20-2008, 10:58 AM
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I payed for all my music 
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12-20-2008, 11:35 AM
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Eh Soul Seek ftw.
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12-20-2008, 11:36 AM
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Lol I just thought of some. Big deal stuff a cd's worth of mp3s in a zip file. Prove thats music.
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12-20-2008, 12:33 PM
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Ayatollah of Rock N Rolla / Admin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by enRo
RIAA will have to have an IP address in order to determine who the pirate is... then they can contact their ISP... using a proxy server uses another IP address, so how can they detect you in the first place? For all we know the IP address of the proxy server could be in Texas somewhere.
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And if your ISP issues a dynamic IP, you can just release and renew to get a new one every day and further obfusecate your downloading.
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12-20-2008, 12:39 PM
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great. just great.
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12-20-2008, 12:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WildBillyT
And if your ISP issues a dynamic IP, you can just release and renew to get a new one every day and further obfusecate your downloading.
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DSL does this. Cable is a satic IP. Not sure on this new fios stuff.
just an fyi
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12-20-2008, 01:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WildBillyT
And if your ISP issues a dynamic IP, you can just release and renew to get a new one every day and further obfusecate your downloading.
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Generally when you renew you get the same IP. They have similar programs that give out a lease for a MAC address so when you renew you still get the same one
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Originally Posted by r0nin89
Cable is a satic IP.
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Cable CAN have a static, but most of them still give out dynamic
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12-20-2008, 01:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by r0nin89
Lol I just thought of some. Big deal stuff a cd's worth of mp3s in a zip file. Prove thats music.
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Actually that is quite easy to prove still. If they suspect you are downloading illegal info they can sniff EVERY packet and look at what is contained. They are a lot smarter than you are 
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12-20-2008, 02:33 PM
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Actually that is quite easy to prove still. If they suspect you are downloading illegal info they can sniff EVERY packet and look at what is contained. They are a lot smarter than you are |
O I know but its not very hard to disguise it or layer the files so the title file is nothing pertaining to music. Your in no way wrong, what ever we the common user can think to do they've figured and planned for.
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12-20-2008, 03:11 PM
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So whats the deal with guys in college? I can't see a internet provider shutting down a college....
Or someone that gets a community access deal? coffee shop? I mean kinda out there, but I guess you could download a bit here and there.
And will they do it based on bandwidth you are using? Or just everyone that gets service will be scanned?
What about music you already have illegally?
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12-20-2008, 03:14 PM
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If this gets serious I'll go to burger king, get lunch and d/l all my music there for the price of lunch.
PS: BK has wifi now if you didnt know lol...
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12-20-2008, 03:50 PM
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progress
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12-20-2008, 04:59 PM
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This is the RIAA/MPIAA's way of circumventing the legal system in this country. Instead of suing individuals for damages in court where they actually have to do work and prove things, they are just going to tell your ISP that they suspect your IP address is distributing their content without a license and your ISP is supposed to send you a few warnings before cutting off your service. This has many negative implications the biggest of them being assumed guilt imo. I have no idea why an ISP would agree to such rubbish as it is a lot more work for them to play middle man and the DMCA relieves service providers from any liability resulting from the actions of their customers. Hopefully we get to find out what ISPs are involved in these back room deals.
Interestingly this exact idea was tried in the Europe by the European counterparts of the RIAA and MPIAA and was soundly trounced by the EU Parliament. Hopefully the same thing happens here.
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12-20-2008, 11:07 PM
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Ayatollah of Rock N Rolla / Admin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shownomercy
So whats the deal with guys in college? I can't see a internet provider shutting down a college....
Or someone that gets a community access deal? coffee shop? I mean kinda out there, but I guess you could download a bit here and there.
And will they do it based on bandwidth you are using? Or just everyone that gets service will be scanned?
What about music you already have illegally?
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No, but they will have the college shut off your account so you can't get on their network.
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12-20-2008, 11:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WildBillyT
No, but they will have the college shut off your account so you can't get on their network.
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can they do that, since you pay the college $ xx,xxx amount/yr for tuition?
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