My take on the 6thgen....

[Frosty]

So being a GM employee(yes, the company still blows but it has its perks) I get to drive pretty much everything we have.

I've had some seat time behind a 6thgen SS...I gotta say it's an impressive machine. The looks are subjective, I personally think the front end it's a bit too "busy". The interior quality is good, button placement is a bit weird but you'd get used it.

Performance wise you can definitely feel the advantage of the new chassis, the car is nimble, responsive and it just wants to GO. You can feel the difference in weight. This one that we ordered had the $3100 Brembo 6 piston caliper LPO...damn thing will put you through the windshield.

I will say this though, it's a very refined car. I personally don't think it "feels" like a muscle car, almost like a fast BMW but not quite as a nice. That's not a negative per say but it definitely is more refined than raw. It's definitely a better performer than a 5thgen but I don't think it's enough to make me get rid of mine...if anything next year I'll be looking for a slightly used 14-15 ZL1.

The 6thgen will have a ton of a potential, it'll be interesting to see what these cars do with some aftermarket support.

OK, carry on, we now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

[ThoR294]

Apparently the 6th gen SS spanks the GT350 lol

[Blackbirdws6]

I drove a 6th gen SS very briefly as SEMA. Nice car and even in the first turn, you could feel it was just more nimble than the last car. Its a shame the SS brings a pretty steep price increase over the 6. I will say the 6 cyl is one of the better sounding ones on the market.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Blackbirdws6

I drove a 6th gen SS very briefly as SEMA. Nice car and even in the first turn, you could feel it was just more nimble than the last car. Its a shame the SS brings a pretty steep price increase over the 6. I will say the 6 cyl is one of the better sounding ones on the market.

The 2 that we have are around $52K, a pretty steep price. Base is like $41K, but between the NPP exhaust, different wheels and the Brembo upgrade it jacks up the price, big time.

[elle]

I still have not driven my dads. He claims it's a way better car than his 2010 was. Performance wise he said that the trans (auto) never feels like it shifts but the car is fast. The exhaust is pretty cool. He hits a button and it changes sound. It has so much electrical technology it's crazy. My wife drove it and said it's a lot more comfortable. His only complaint are the tires (run flats). Very noisy

[Paul Huryk]

Just the other day, I finally had seen one on the street.

I'm going to take one for a test drive soon - for ****s n giggles to see how it compares, but as I was never impressed with the 5th gen - it should be a no brainer.

It will take several years to match the aftermarket support as the 5th gens had - mostly due to the new LT1 motor; which like the LS1 will need several years before it can surpass its LT-1 predecessor.

[wrong generation]

the prices of new cars has gotten so out of hand its not funny. its bad enough they are able to jack up the price do to the magic of "credit" but then to put things like Brembo parts on it straight from the factory then charge an arm and a leg for them is total bs. thats what the after market is for. you buy the car then if you want to as an after thought go and buy brembo or who ever elses parts to put on your car. what ever happened to the average person being able to afford a brand new camaro ? one shouldn't have to take out a 30 year mortgage just to drive a car. look at the prices of a brand new 4th gen vs these brand new 6th gens. atleast the prices of the 4th gens base v6 and top of the line ss models even though they were still screwing you back then thru the magic of credit were more realisticly and affordably priced.

[elle]

My 2002 SS SLP I bought from orig owner had a sticker in the mid $30's. A new 2016 is mid $40's. I would say the new car is def $10k better than a 4th gen. I've been looking for a low mileage 01/02 auto, no t tops and they are going for high teens /twenty. I can buy a 2011+ 5.0 Mustang for that. All new brands of cars are a way better vehicle than 20+yrs ago. They should be expensive.

[maroman88]

Originally Posted by wrong generation

the prices of new cars has gotten so out of hand its not funny. its bad enough they are able to jack up the price do to the magic of "credit" but then to put things like Brembo parts on it straight from the factory then charge an arm and a leg for them is total bs. thats what the after market is for. you buy the car then if you want to as an after thought go and buy brembo or who ever elses parts to put on your car. what ever happened to the average person being able to afford a brand new camaro ? one shouldn't have to take out a 30 year mortgage just to drive a car. look at the prices of a brand new 4th gen vs these brand new 6th gens. atleast the prices of the 4th gens base v6 and top of the line ss models even though they were still screwing you back then thru the magic of credit were more realisticly and affordably priced.

thus the reason i will never purchase a new car.

[WayFast84]

Honestly, after looking at so many cars I believe that the reason cars are so expensive is because of all the economy cars adding things and trims to be "more sophisticated". If you look at a new Civic some of them are $23,000+. Who would pay that for a Civic? Honda could do that because they are solid cars that will last 15 years. Competitors threw back up cameras, navigation and the kitchen sink in their cars as incentive to get their less proven cars and raised the price to near the Civic.

Additionally, the quality of the cars are 10x better now than they have ever been. Even base cars are nice than Corvettes were in the 90's. Not only was the interior horrible looking, the stock seats sucked and it was so uncomfortable to drive long distances. Comparing a 4th gen to a 6th gen just shouldn't be done.

[NJ Torque]

Originally Posted by maroman88

thus the reason i will never purchase a new car.

You think thats redic? How about the 95K for a new escalade... and we have 35 of them in stock...

[The_Bishop]

Part of the problem is the dealers get fully loaded models on the lot. If you order, you can get a basic 1ss for right under $39k. Not cheap, but not out of this world for what you get, either.

If I didn't need my pickup so much I'd be ordering one, personally. Maybe when the truck's paid off.

[SS Performance]

A little perspective on pricing, minimum wage, average income verses Camaro prices
1975 minimum wage $2.10 ph average income $8030 Z28 $4070.00
1985 minimum wage $3.35 ph average income $16822 Z28 $11060.00
1995 minimum wage $4.25 ph average income $24705 Z28 $18160.00
2002 minimum wage $5.15 ph average income $33252 Z28 $22830.00
2015 minimum wage $7.25 ph average income $46481 SS2 $37305.00
2016 minimum wage $7.25 ph average income not available SS2 $41300.00

The prices are base prices not optioned out. In 2002 the SS was an option. I chose the highest priced models that where comparable. The 2015 Z28 was a limited production model and the ZL is not comparable to models from the earlier years.

Just some info for you to ponder over.

Have fun.

[NJSPEEDER]

Originally Posted by The_Bishop

Part of the problem is the dealers get fully loaded models on the lot. If you order, you can get a basic 1ss for right under $39k. Not cheap, but not out of this world for what you get, either.

If I didn't need my pickup so much I'd be ordering one, personally. Maybe when the truck's paid off.

The problem I see over and over again is the addiction of manufacturers to require massive packages of unrelated items if you want one thing. Before I bought my car I was looking at the Focus RS, only options I wanted were the HID headlights and fog lights, according to the website it was a few hundred bucks but the second I clicked on it I was asked to picked one of two $3k+ option groups that included all kinds of other crap I couldn't care less about. thats how the prices rack up so fast.

If I could take a base Camaro/Mustang/Challenger and just add performance stuff without wasting money on uncomfortable and overpriced seats, stereo that I won't listen to, huge and heavy pimp rims(with matching SUV performance-ish tires), and all the rest of that crap I would probably be spending time figuring out which one I was buying. But since the only way to get one upgrade is to spend excessive amounts of money on fully pimped out mode I'll stick to an econo box and tinkering with old cars.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by The_Bishop

Part of the problem is the dealers get fully loaded models on the lot. If you order, you can get a basic 1ss for right under $39k. Not cheap, but not out of this world for what you get, either.

If I didn't need my pickup so much I'd be ordering one, personally. Maybe when the truck's paid off.

The one we sold/I drove was a base of $41k. Magnetic ride, npp exhaust, black wheels and the brembo brakes jacked it up.

IMO the npp and magnetic are a must...

[NastyEllEssWon]

Originally Posted by SS Performance

A little perspective on pricing, minimum wage, average income verses Camaro prices
1975 minimum wage $2.10 ph average income $8030 Z28 $4070.00
1985 minimum wage $3.35 ph average income $16822 Z28 $11060.00
1995 minimum wage $4.25 ph average income $24705 Z28 $18160.00
2002 minimum wage $5.15 ph average income $33252 Z28 $22830.00
2015 minimum wage $7.25 ph average income $46481 SS2 $37305.00
2016 minimum wage $7.25 ph average income not available SS2 $41300.00

The prices are base prices not optioned out. In 2002 the SS was an option. I chose the highest priced models that where comparable. The 2015 Z28 was a limited production model and the ZL is not comparable to models from the earlier years.

Just some info for you to ponder over.

Have fun.

the problem with this is that originally a camaro only cost HALF a years salary. not 90%. This actually shows how skewed market inflation is compared to the inflation of earning power by the average person. just saying.

[sweetbmxrider]

So you think there is a consistency between what a Camaro was in 1975 and what it is in 2015? Including options, materials, and overall engineering?

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider

So you think there is a consistency between what a Camaro was in 1975 and what it is in 2015? Including options, materials, and overall engineering?

Oh hell no lol

[NastyEllEssWon]

Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider

So you think there is a consistency between what a Camaro was in 1975 and what it is in 2015? Including options, materials, and overall engineering?

No not at all. Just pointing out that buying power isn't what its used to be, so certain cars that were once considered bang for the buck cars are no longer the bargain they used to be brand new.

[sweetbmxrider]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

No not at all. Just pointing out that buying power isn't what its used to be, so certain cars that were once considered bang for the buck cars are no longer the bargain they used to be brand new.

Is that true? Or did the company listen to the fan base to build what they wanted at a relatively affordable price point given the materials, engineering, etc? There are plenty of bang for the buck cars out there. Then there are cars that are more than that, both monetarily and overall quality. I guess I think the camaro grew up from the bang for the buck it was once considered.

[NJSPEEDER]

The fan base? Not really, they just went for a different market segment. Basically instead of trying to offer a car that a young person with a job can afford(profit via sales volume) they went for the better margain middle aged market, people both willing and able to afford a little nostalgia(profit per unit)

[wrong generation]

given the fact that as technology gets more advanced it gets cheaper. and the fact that most of the tech and stuff in the 2016 camaro is atleast 10-15 years old tech. there is no valid reason for the over inflated price of the 2016 camaro. there is nothing in the camaro that depends such high price tags.

[redsoxsstink]

Originally Posted by wrong generation

given the fact that as technology gets more advanced it gets cheaper. and the fact that most of the tech and stuff in the 2016 camaro is atleast 10-15 years old tech. there is no valid reason for the over inflated price of the 2016 camaro. there is nothing in the camaro that depends such high price tags.

the brand new lt1 engine? magnetic ride? massive brembos? light(er) weight aluminum chassis? it all doesnt come free.

hi-tech tech is not cheap. regardless how advance production methods are, the materials that are within these components are not cheap. in addition it costs money to engineer a car to today's standards, millions are spent on emissions crap that is required now and not previously. the consumer has to pay for all this time and development in the long run. manufactures wont do it for free.

[wrong generation]

Originally Posted by redsoxsstink

the brand new lt1 engine? magnetic ride? massive brembos? light(er) weight aluminum chassis? it all doesnt come free.

never said it should be free. just that there is nothing on car thats new tech.

Originally Posted by redsoxsstink

the brand new lt1 engine?

there is nothing really brand new about this engine.

Originally Posted by redsoxsstink

magnetic ride?.

this is not new tech. its 14 years old was first used by gm on the 2002 caddy

Originally Posted by redsoxsstink

massive brembos.

nothing new here. also this goes back to what i said about the aftermarket earlier.

Originally Posted by redsoxsstink

light(er) weight aluminum chassis?

again still not seeing anything brand new. hell gm used this tech back in 1996 on the ev1. and it was used for cars way before that.

[sweetbmxrider]

I think you are being very silly right now.

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

The fan base? Not really, they just went for a different market segment. Basically instead of trying to offer a car that a young person with a job can afford(profit via sales volume) they went for the better margain middle aged market, people both willing and able to afford a little nostalgia(profit per unit)

So you'd rather the camaro turn into a cobalt?