Street Racing??

Just out of curiosity why do all posts that involve street racing get deleted? you cant really even say its because sponsors dont want to be on sites that have that kind of content posted on them because Tech has a section devoted just to that and they have tons of sponsors. just curious as to why???

[misterjuice]

cuz we don't want that kind of jive talkin on the board.

[NJSPEEDER]

there are a few reasons really.

one problem for us is the liability issue. as much as i would like to say otherwise, i am not a rich man and i can't afford to get sued.
the way it works is similar to when someone who throws a party gets sued when someone drives home drunk. regardless of whether the person throwing the party approved of the drunk driving or not, the illegal act resulted from a situation in which they had oversight and failed to put a stop to it. therefore, legally, any actions that result come back to the person throwing the party.
the parellel on our site is that if we allow open discussion and planning of an illegal activity and it reults in any accident, injury, or death, we can be held liable. that would put a swift end to the club that everyone here has put so much effort into building up as well as ruining justin's and my lives if we were to get sued.

there is also the obvious issue of legality. it is illegal, plain and simple.
this relates to the future of the club in that we are working on being more invovled with the SEMA Action Network to work within the political arena and protect the hobby. we would be hard pressed to be taken seriously by anyone while trying to influence new laws if our membership is openly breaking existing laws.

sponsorship does play into it to some degree as well. you will notice that one of the things that goes along with the street racing and kill forums that other sites have is a war room mentality. on sites that stayed small or have such a broad appeal that have a ton of members it makes little difference. a small frum of a fe hundred members cna survive for under $100 a year in most cases, and a huge site with national appeal and hundred of thousands of members has so much activity that companies will flock to them jsut because of market appeal.
we don't have either luxary currently. the NJFBOA site is active enough that we can not use the little hobby servers, yet we are small enough that we can not seek sponsorship while putting out a war forum image.
basically, tech has access to a million+ potential customer visits a day for those companies, they can overlook the few thousnad trouble makers for a stake of that marketplace.

there really is no excuse for street racing in new jersey. there are 3 tracks operating 6 nights a week. with that many opportunities to test yourself and your car in a safe and controled enviroment, there is no real reason to be out on the streets putting the lives and property of others at risk.

[Mike]

because there are members of the board in law enforcement, so posting about street racing is just gonna get you caught.

[njfastestcamaro]

street racing so much better then track racing

[98tadriver]

Originally Posted by njfastestcamaro

street racing so much better then track racing

******** A RIGHT IT IS.

[NJSPEEDER]

i would rather be at the track. a tree and a win light eliminates all the crying about who did or didn't jump and arguments about who won a close race.

[wrong generation]

Originally Posted by cbrrmike

because there are members of the board in law enforcement, so posting about street racing is just gonna get you caught.

law enforcement is nothing to be afraid of they are just reg people that are slightly ( ok some are more then slightly)power happy and have a shiny badge to prove it

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

there really is no excuse for street racing in new jersey. there are 3 tracks operating 6 nights a week. with that many opportunities to test yourself and your car in a safe and controled enviroment, there is no real reason to be out on the streets putting the lives and property of others at risk.

i have to slightly disagree here. ill agree with the track being safer but i have a very valid excuse for not going to a track it is not worth it to drive over an hour pay $30 for a couple of races and then to drive over an hour to get home. it is so much more realistic to just drive to a local abandon road and race right there. the only thing you have a chance at hitting is a deer which would be just like slamming into the wall at the track.

[bad64chevelle]

Originally Posted by zeek

i have to slightly disagree here. ill agree with the track being safer but i have a very valid excuse for not going to a track it is not worth it to drive over an hour pay $30 for a couple of races and then to drive over an hour to get home. it is so much more realistic to just drive to a local abandon road and race right there. the only thing you have a chance at hitting is a deer which would be just like slamming into the wall at the track.

Yeah, because everytime I have raced at the track the wall jumps out infront of me at 100+ MPH. Good thing I have catlike reflexes and can steer clear of those nasty walls.

[qwikz28]

Originally Posted by zeek

law enforcement is nothing to be afraid of they are just reg people that are slightly ( ok some are more then slightly)power happy and have a shiny badge to prove it

i hope you get held up one day by a guy with a gun... then we'll see how you feel about those said power happy people

i have to slightly disagree here. ill agree with the track being safer but i have a very valid excuse for not going to a track it is not worth it to drive over an hour pay $30 for a couple of races and then to drive over an hour to get home. it is so much more realistic to just drive to a local abandon road and race right there. the only thing you have a chance at hitting is a deer which would be just like slamming into the wall at the track.

coming from a person who spent this whole summer studying logic, you're argument sucks. how is your chances of hitting a deer the same as hitting a wall? your chances of losing control and going off the road is the same as hitting the wall, and even that is amplified because tracks are prepped and the street is not. the deer, pedestrians, debris, other cars, etc... are all other factors that make your argument sound even dumber.

[qwikz28]

Originally Posted by bad64chevelle

Yeah, because everytime I have raced at the track the wall jumps out infront of me at 100+ MPH. Good thing I have catlike reflexes and can steer clear of those nasty walls.

you did in my car

























dick

i understand the part where people say its not safe and all that but at the same timeare you going to stop people from saying that theyre running ORYs? thats illegal and bad for the enviroment but people suggest it all the time. removing air bags for weight reduction? illegal and unsafe if you do happen to hit a wall. removing bumper supports? again unsafe. do you see where im coming from? and as far as the legal end of it. theres cops on every website, and yes it would be very stupid for someone to set up a time and a place for a race on boards like cops arent on here

[NJSPEEDER]

ORY's and safety equipment removal are legal on collectors/classic registered vehicles and for off highway use.
there is no legal way to race on the street.

[NJSPEEDER]

Originally Posted by zeek

i have to slightly disagree here. ill agree with the track being safer but i have a very valid excuse for not going to a track it is not worth it to drive over an hour pay $30 for a couple of races and then to drive over an hour to get home. it is so much more realistic to just drive to a local abandon road and race right there. the only thing you have a chance at hitting is a deer which would be just like slamming into the wall at the track.

on the street you are risking a lot more than the $30 it costs to get in at the track.
first off, track surfaces are built, prepped, leveled, and cleaed to be safe. there is not a road anywhere on the east coast that can claim that. so you are far less likely to have a situation created by the surrounding conditions that will cause you to wreck. it is also a very obvious truth that going off of a back road leaves a lot more dangerous things in your path that a flat concrete barrier. trees, curbs, poles, hydrants, all these things will have a much more adversse effect on your ability to control the car and stay safe in an out of control car than a concrete wall will.
also, when you race on the street you are risking your car and your license. if you do happen to wreck while out on teh streets and the investigation proves it was street racing, say goodbye to your insurance ever paying a dime on top of all the legal problems you will have.

then how can you allow people to talk about smoking weed? why dont those posts get deleted? thats illegal in every way shape and form. or under age drinking?

[NJSPEEDER]

we do delete a lot of posts about illegal drug use and underage drinking. it is all a matter of when the posts/threads are seen by the mods or admins. it is an active forum, so not everything gets read and moderated the second it goes up.

comparing street racing to other topic areas does not support the position of those who wish to discuss street racing. the club forums and the rules that are in place to manage them are constantly evolving.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by zeek

law enforcement is nothing to be afraid of they are just reg people that are slightly ( ok some are more then slightly)power happy and have a shiny badge to prove it

no one said to be scared of the cops, but if you talk about racing, and talk about spots, and anyone and their mother can be on hear reading it, your BEGGING to get caught. and once you do, you will make a post crying about the cops being ******* im sure.

[trashman01]

if u dont like how they get deleted and other stuff doesnt right away, get off the board, plain and simple. ill admit it i use to street race, then i found the track, which i personally think is alot better cuz its a big family there(where i go atleast) i met some ppl who gave me tips, tricks and lent me some tools so i could adjust the car to go faster. plus its ALOT safer and i wont get my license or car taken away or kill some innocent ppl. i see ricers race where me and my friends hang out(kinda like a club but not really, cops leave us alone cuz they kno we dont do any racing or burnouts) i watch a stupid POS honda miss a jeep cherokee by inches cuz he was trying to show how slow his car was

[unstable bob gable]

Originally Posted by cbrrmike

because there are members of the board in law enforcement, so posting about street racing is just gonna get you caught.

BAD BOYZ! BAD BOYZ! WHAT CHA GONNA DO? WHAT CHA GONNA DO WHEN THEY COME FOR YOU???

i never said i street race and havent had any posts deleted because of it. and ive had my license suspended for speeding but have i ever said cops are dicks? no because ive been let off for more then one offense. i do respect cops but at the same time (just like most other people) if a car comes along that i want to race and the road is wide open im going to. i just dont see the reason for deleting posts. no one said the boards support street racing if posts arent deleted. honestly if people are stupid enough to say where they race or try to set one up they deserve to get caught.

[WayFast84]

I dont think the posts should be deleted or they should be allowed in the paying section

[NJSPEEDER]

regadless of whether we say we don't approve of street racing or not we can be held legally liable if races are planned using our forums. who does or doesn't approve of street racing has nothing to do with who can get sued for it.
our intention is not to change anyone's outlook or the ways in which they enjoy their car and the hobby. at the same time we have to look at things from the perspective of what is best for the club and hobby as a whole. getting my pants sued off woudl be a very bad thing for the club since i can barely afford to do this as it is, much less after having to hire a lawyer.

[NJSPEEDER]

Originally Posted by WayFast84

I dont think the posts should be deleted, I think they should be allowed in the paying section, But whats with being able to say dick but not as s?

the liability doesn't change jsut because a discussion is in a different forum. besides, there are cops in the basement forum too, so it is jsut as easy for them to find out what is up and nail people for it.

[chevyt454]

Theres one tonight in Newark...........Sssshhhhhhhhhhh!!!

[BonzoHansen]

It's not just planning. The mere lack of response to it is tantamount to implicit approval. Go ask the Dean at Rider what he thinks about this concept. He just got hit with CRIMINAL CHARGES over the binge drinking death of that kid last March. And that is on top of the civil lawsuit by the family - which Rider will likely pay dearly.

Why? Basically, the University did not do enough to stop it. He wasn't there. He said he is against it. The University had rules against it (as does the state). But there he is in court. Bull? Sure. But Rider has the deep pockets to defend him. Last I looked, Tim & Justin do not. And that is the point you are missing.

Will it ever happen? Probably not. But I sure wouldn't want to be around if it were to happen. And I sure wouldn't want to trust the legal reasoning purposed by some guys on the internet.

Generally, all I see here is a lot of talk from people who have nothing personally on the line here. I see people who want what they want - and how it potentially impacts others matters not. Nice. Go to a site the allows it, or better yet ante up for your own forum if you want to do it. Until then, those are the rules and the reasons behind them.