hmmm challenger

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

I guess you and I have different tastes, Alex. I think that looks like crap. Totally slab sided, wheels are terrible.

Edit: Actually, it doesn't look like crap, it looks like somebody was trying to carve a car out of a bar of Ivory soap and then said **** it halfway through.

While the wheels you can change, the slab-sidedness is something this car is stuck with.
All the LX cars are slab-sided.













To see what Un-Slab sidedness looks like





Nut Hug on that.

[Tru2Chevy]

.....am I gonna have to ban all Challenger threads?

:mutters to self "Kids these days":

- Justin

[79CamaroDiva]

we stopped by and saw dover dodges challenger. Holy Crap is all i have to say. the car is amazing. I have a feeling steve will be ordering one (maybe two? ) by the end of the year.

[SteveR]

yea, that car was nothing but hotness. It looks ten times better in person than in pics. A test drive is required now

[SteveR]

Originally Posted by Anti_Rice_Guy

Come visit me then. I'm like .3 miles away...I leave for work in like 5 minutes.

thats a little too early for me where do you work?

[Mark B]

Another black challenger spotted at Cherry Hill Dodge on Rt 70

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Originally Posted by SteveR

thats a little too early for me where do you work?

Fania roofing on E. Blackwell in Dover...

[79CamaroDiva]

Originally Posted by Anti_Rice_Guy

Fania roofing on E. Blackwell in Dover...

Dover Dodge moved their showroom while they're doing construction. now you're probably a whole 3 minutes away.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Yeah I know. They keep the Challenger in front of the old one though, on Salem Street so that I can stare at it while I fill up at the gas station across the street. How thoughtful of them

[Savage_Messiah]

Some guy snapped this pic locally down in the South (liek florida/georgia/etc south):



You guys can NOT tell me this car is worth $80k to you.

[SteveR]

Originally Posted by Savage_Messiah

Guy in Florida snapped this pic locally:



You guys can NOT tell me this car is worth $80k to you.

you're right, its not, MSRP is 41k. If some retard buys it for double the sticker price, then hes pretty damn dumb.

[Savage_Messiah]

I'm really curious how much the dealers you guys see them at are marking the cars up, especially with Dodge's financial situation. Research experiment anyone?

[V]

wow 13/18 mpg ratings??? what crap is that?

i figured with displacement on demand or some stuff like that it would be better, my friends charger R/T gets like 26 highway.

[79CamaroDiva]

Originally Posted by SmokingSS

wow 13/18 mpg ratings??? what crap is that?

i figured with displacement on demand or some stuff like that it would be better, my friends charger R/T gets like 26 highway.

only the srt-8 is out right now. i dont think it has displacement on demand.

[SteveR]

Originally Posted by Savage_Messiah

I'm really curious how much the dealers you guys see them at are marking the cars up, especially with Dodge's financial situation. Research experiment anyone?

Its not like this is the first time this has happened. With every new model that comes out by any manufacturer, the dealers look to make as much as possible on them. Same thing happened when the C6 came out, the new Mustang, the Ford GT, all the hybrids, etc. If you think thats a high mark up, wait til the ZR-1 comes out. I bet dealers will be asking 200k.

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by SmokingSS

wow 13/18 mpg ratings??? what crap is that?

i figured with displacement on demand or some stuff like that it would be better, my friends charger R/T gets like 26 highway.

Originally Posted by 79CamaroDiva

only the srt-8 is out right now. i dont think it has displacement on demand.

Bingo. The SRT8's have the 6.1 V8 making 425 with no displacement on demand.
The new RT's will get the 2nd gen Hemi's with the VVT system and better head making 370hp and 408ftlbs of torque. The RT seems like the better buy for now. But the SE and RT wont be available for another month or so.

[SteveR]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Bingo. The SRT8's have the 6.1 V8 making 425 with no displacement on demand.
The new RT's will get the 2nd gen Hemi's with the VVT system and better head making 370hp and 408ftlbs of torque. The RT seems like the better buy for now. But the SE and RT wont be available for another month or so.

The R/T definitely looks like the better deal. A few thousand less, better mileage, and cool retro R/T badges. You can mod an R/T and have it make more than 425hp for less than what it would cost to order an SRT8, and probably still get better gas mileage.

[BigAls87Z28]

Problem is that camshaft. That twin-camshaft design for the VVT set up is gunna pose problems for cam shaft replacement for performance.

[Savage_Messiah]

Originally Posted by SteveR

The R/T definitely looks like the better deal. A few thousand less, better mileage, and cool retro R/T badges. You can mod an R/T and have it make more than 425hp for less than what it would cost to order an SRT8, and probably still get better gas mileage.

And you can have a 3rd pedal if you so desire

[V]

i figured as much, alright then, but still...dam... lol

but regardless, i dunno the car just doesnt do it for me, dont get me wrong it is very very nice. I started as a Mopar guy, 1st car a 1973 dodge coronet, but my 88 GTA pulled me away. And that pic of the 2 door charger...sick, id rock that anyday, lol, if it was free. still buying the new camaro though.

[NastyEllEssWon]

the new camaro fails in comparison to the challenger.
the only reason dodge didnt put any 'creativity' into it
is because its exactly what it should be. the challenger
never evolved because it was a one generation car. the
camaro had 4 generations to evolve into the '5th gen' if
you can even call it that. the challenger has done exactly
what i have been wishing chevy to do....bring out a retro-rod
that recalls their glory days. i want a first gen. dont want to
pay 30k for a car that rides like a school bus. if they took
a first gen body and updated it like they did the challenger it
would own. but they didnt...so the new 'camaro' will end up in
the graveyard with the firebird.

the fbody died in 02. the '5th gen' should be called the next-gen.

fyi....the new camaro is going to be just as heavy as the challenger

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

the new camaro fails in comparison to the challenger.
the only reason dodge didnt put any 'creativity' into it
is because its exactly what it should be. the challenger
never evolved because it was a one generation car. the
camaro had 4 generations to evolve into the '5th gen' if
you can even call it that. the challenger has done exactly
what i have been wishing chevy to do....bring out a retro-rod
that recalls their glory days. i want a first gen. dont want to
pay 30k for a car that rides like a school bus. if they took
a first gen body and updated it like they did the challenger it
would own. but they didnt...so the new 'camaro' will end up in
the graveyard with the firebird.

the fbody died in 02. the '5th gen' should be called the next-gen.

fyi....the new camaro is going to be just as heavy as the challenger

First off, Camaro will be lighter then the Challenger in every way.
2nd, Camaro never "died". It went on hiatus. This would make it teh 5th generation.

As for making it look like a First gen...uh, yeah, thats exactly what it looks like. A modern first gen.
Handle like a bus? So I assume you have driven it? Or perhaps maybe you should take a look at reviews of teh G8 GT vs the Charger, and the handling of the G8 easily outdoes the Charger in every way.
Dont wana spend 30k on a car that handles like a school bus...I suggest NOT getting the Challenger.

[NastyEllEssWon]

if you re-read my post you would notice this is what was meant...ill clarify

the point of the challenger is for people who want a challenger but cant
justify spending the same amount for an old car, but rather a newer car
that looks like the old one. its all about creature comforts.

i meant the fact that the new camaros arent actually fbodies

the fbody died in 02. the '5th gen' should be called the next-gen.

thats the reason i dont consider the new camaro a 5th gen but rather
the next-gen. its the first generation of a whole new camaro. much like
the way a new beetle isnt a generation of the old beetle in context.

the new camaro is going to weigh in close to 4k. its by no means a lightweight contender.

as for the looks....i said i would rather have a first gen updated with new
technology.

i want a first gen. dont want to
pay 30k for a car that rides like a school bus. if they took
a first gen body and updated it like they did the challenger it
would own.

the 4th generation was the pinnacle of the fbody.

the new camaro has first gen similarities but can also
say the rear 1/4 looks very corvette to me. the new
challenger can stand side by side with the old one and
almost look identical. thats what owns about it. i can
have the old school mopar look without sacrificing driveability
and safety.

first gens handle like a school bus. i didnt say the 5th gens.

i want a first gen. dont want to
pay 30k for a car that rides like a school bus

you my friend have misread my post. just clarifying for ya

[BigAls87Z28]

Well, you are misreading my post. The Challenger will most deffinatly handle like a school bus compared to Camaro.
While Camaro will not be a light weight fighter, it sure as hell wont be as heavy as the Challenger.
So the new Camaro isnt an Fbody because...its not called Fbody?
Is the third/4th gen not an fbody becaues its not the same platform?
Is the 4th gen not an fbody because it was built in Canada?
Is it 5th gen not an fbody because it has IRS? Cause there is no Firebird?

I dont get it, Camaro looks like a Camaro from every angle. Front, side, rear, 3/4, top and bottom.

Here is the "Clown Car" Camaro clay model design prototype next to VP of Design Ed Welburn's 69 Camaro

[BigAls87Z28]

The side of teh Camaro concept we see is the failed design, the other half of the car, the part you cant see, is what the concept turned out to be.