2012 Z28....

[SteveR]

Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider

so what about the ford gt? its a very rare car to see and is marketed to a different person. whats so different with a zr1?

some people have money and just don't give a ****.

I read an article and also talked to some people at Ford years ago and they confirmed that taking traditional profit margins into account, the Ford GT should have been priced in the $80-85k range, but Ford wanted to compete with Ferrari, so they jacked the price up to make it look price wise like it was a super car. Ford profited over $100,000 of each one that sold. The GT was marketed to rich asses with lots of money and no brains. From my understanding, the ZR-1 costs a lot more to build than the GT did and has much better performance numbers. Bang for the buck is definitely with the ZR-1.

Like Al said, this will not be a car that your average 18 year old will take his paper route money to the dealership with and drive out with one. It's for people with money. If it was some gearhead that knew about cars, they'd just buy a base V8 and mod it and it would go faster, and cost less. But the Shelbys, Saleens, Rouchs, and Z28s are not for those people. Hell, the Shelby GT300 is just $2000 in off the shelf parts and with a $20,000 mark up.

[Slow-V6]

Originally Posted by Frosty

I don't like the way ANY Mustang drives past the Foxbody era, hated the SN95's and even the 05+. I just don't like the feel of them...

Originally Posted by Frosty

I loved my 4thgen just like I love my 3rdgen but I'm not gonna sit there and **** on the GT500 which is a BETTER car than ours...I mean c'mon.

So if you dont like the car then how can you say its better then your car or mine?

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Slow-V6

So if you dont like the car then how can you say its better then your car or mine?

Liking the way they drive doesn't influence raw performance numbers or what they're capable of. Not liking the way they drive doesn't determine how tight a car is(or isn't).

I'm not ashamed to say a GT500 is a WAY better car than mine.

I love my GTA, it's a relatively clean car, especially for the year and for the fact it's been a PA/NJ it's entire life, it's relatively quick for being a bone stock L98 w/valve seals that are more beat than a $5 whore(screw you GM for using ****** seals in that era lol)....it's a good car but to compare it to a GT500 or any car comparable to it would be an insult to said cars.

[Slow-V6]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Liking the way they drive doesn't influence raw performance numbers. Not liking the way they drive doesn't determine how tight a car is(or isn't).

I'm not ashamed to say a GT500 is a WAY better car than mine.

I love my GTA, it's a relatively clean car, especially for the year and the fact it's been a PA/NJ it's entire life, it's relatively quick....it's a good car but to compare it to a GT500 or any car comparable to it would be an insult to said cars.

So you would buy a car because it is fast even though you hate the way it drives ,Looks and feels?

Just because a car costs 60,000 and makes more power then my car doesnt make it a better car then the one I own! For me liking the way a car looks and drives is a big part of me either buying the car or not. The New camaro is a good example. I like the way the car drives and handles but am not to fond of the way it looks. It hadles better then my T/A and is just as fast as my T/A but to me doesnt look as good as my T/A so I dont think the car is a better car then the one I already have. Because of this I will not get a 24,000 Camaro or a 60,000 Camaro.

I bought my SN95 body Mustang because I liked the way it looked and sounded but didnt really like the way it drove or felt while driving. I had a 88 GTA at the time as well and even though this Mustang cost thousands of dollars more then my GTA I felt my GTA was a better car and sold my Mustang.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Slow-V6

So you would buy a car because it is fast even though you hate the way it drives ,Looks and feels?

Why are you constantly putting words in my mouth? I said nothing about buying any car or buying a car I didn't like.

So lets flip it, I drove and drove in a Ford GT years ago, wasn't my cup of tea, especially for $200K....does that mean my GTA is a "better" car? Of course not. I personally would never buy a Toyota product but does that mean my '96 Thunderbird is a better car than an Avalon? Absolutely not.

What "I" like better for "me" doesn't mean overall my choice is a better car generally speaking.

I guess I can look at things objectively and as non-biased as possible.

Another example, everyone has a hard-on for cars like the Lotus Esprit....I personally think they look like a bag of smashed ********....does that mean my GTA is a better car?

I think we're gonna agree to disagree on this topic

[maroman88]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Why are you constantly putting words in my mouth? I said nothing about buying any car or buying a car I didn't like.

So lets flip it, I drove and drove in a Ford GT years ago, wasn't my cup of tea, especially for $200K....does that mean my GTA is a "better" car? Of course not. I personally would never buy a Toyota product but does that mean my '96 Thunderbird is a better car than an Avalon? Absolutely not.

What "I" like better for "me" doesn't mean overall my choice is a better car generally speaking.

I guess I can look at things objectively and as non-biased as possible.

Another example, everyone has a hard-on for cars like the Lotus Esprit....I personally think they look like a bag of smashed ********....does that mean my GTA is a better car?

I think we're gonna agree to disagree on this topic

dude GTA's are the ****tttttt... for their time they were fast annnnd luxurious, and add the turbo 6 to a GTA and u had the fastest car of the time

[Slow-V6]

Originally Posted by Frosty

What "I" like better for "me" doesn't mean overall my choice is a better car generally speaking.

Then dont put my car in with your obsession with the GT500. Just because you think the GT500 is a better car then yours and mine doesnt mean I do.

I have the car I always wanted since I started to realize what a car was. There are very few cars in the world that I think are better cars then mine and would like to have over my car. You might think thats stupid or what not. I dont care.

Originally Posted by maroman88

dude GTA's are the ****tttttt... for their time they were fast annnnd luxurious, and add the turbo 6 to a GTA and u had the fastest car of the time

Agree with you 100% GTA were and still are very bad ass cars.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Slow-V6

Then dont put my car in with your obsession with the GT500. Just because you think the GT500 is a better car then yours and mine doesnt mean I do.

I have the car I always wanted since I started to realize what a car was. There are very few cars in the world that I think are better cars then mine and would like to have over my car. You might think thats stupid or what not. I dont care.

My obsession? Dude where are you pulling that stuff from? The GT500 is/was part of the discussion, it was brought up since it will be the Z28's competition.

I'm not obsessed with the car by any means, I personally would never buy one but it's part of the discussion...not sure what is so hard to understand.

It's great you love your car, I love mine. We'll agree to disagree...no biggie. I'm not biased and I'm not afraid to admit when my car is outmatched, it won't hurt my ego

[Z28 Heritage]

Damn i wish i can read all of this thread but i got a interview at WAWA!!!! So i have to go start getting ready.


IMO The challenger looks 10x better then both the Camaro and Mustang. I remember my fathers 1996 V6 Camaro that thing sucked more balls then his Trailblazer. Never get a V6 sports car its like driving a civic lol.

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by SteveR

Like Al said, this will not be a car that your average 18 year old will take his paper route money to the dealership with and drive out with one. It's for people with money. If it was some gearhead that knew about cars, they'd just buy a base V8 and mod it and it would go faster, and cost less. But the Shelbys, Saleens, Rouchs, and Z28s are not for those people. Hell, the Shelby GT300 is just $2000 in off the shelf parts and with a $20,000 mark up.

All this. Top shelf cars have never been cheap. 1969 Camaro ZL1s did not sell because they doubled the price of the car. Just for an engine. Yenkos were not cheap.

Plus with the new CAFE standards they probably want to limit production so the hit is not as bad. So make less, sell for more.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by 92camarodude

Damn i wish i can read all of this thread but i got a interview at WAWA!!!! So i have to go start getting ready.

Sweet! Good luck.

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by 92camarodude

Damn i wish i can read all of this thread but i got a interview at WAWA!!!! So i have to go start getting ready.


IMO The challenger looks 10x better then both the Camaro and Mustang. I remember my fathers 1996 V6 Camaro that thing sucked more balls then his Trailblazer. Never get a V6 sports car its like driving a civic lol.

Yeah...youre right....

[Frosty]

lol

[Z28 Heritage]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Yeah...youre right....

Yea that thing looks like a bug that needs to be killed. I hate them more then Civics

[Z28 Heritage]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Sweet! Good luck.

Yea it went well i hope i get it

[Slow-V6]

Originally Posted by 92camarodude

I remember my fathers 1996 V6 Camaro that thing sucked more balls then his Trailblazer. Never get a V6 sports car its like driving a civic lol.

Wish I still had my Slow as **** V6 Firebird.

I dont know about you but a GN and TTA are pretty fast cars for what they were. The New V6 Camaro's and Mustangs are pretty fast also.

Originally Posted by Frosty

. I'm not biased and I'm not afraid to admit when my car is outmatched, it won't hurt my ego

If the only thing I care about is how much power my car has compared to another car then I would agree with you but for me hp/tq are just a part of wether I like a car or dont. Yes the GT500 is faster then my T/A so in that aspect it does outmatch my car. I think my T/A is a much better looking car and is to me a much more fun car to drive so my car outmatches the GT500 in those 2 areas in my opinion. I have never driven a 05+ Mustang but have rode in a couple and it still has that Ford Taurus feel to it.

Originally Posted by Frosty

My obsession? Dude where are you pulling that stuff from? The GT500 is/was part of the discussion

But you are the only one saying that it is a better car then yours or mine. My whole point is that if you hate the way the car looks and drives and never plan on buying one then how is it better then your car? I guess it comes down to 1 question. Would you rather have your GTA or the GT500 if someone gave you the option? If someone offered me a C5 Z06 or my WS6 I would take the Z06 because to me the Z06 is a better car then mine.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Slow-V6

If the only thing I care about is how much power my car has compared to another car then I would agree with you but for me hp/tq are just a part of wether I like a car or dont. Yes the GT500 is faster then my T/A so in that aspect it does outmatch my car. I think my T/A is a much better looking car and is to me a much more fun car to drive so my car outmatches the GT500 in those 2 areas in my opinion. I have never driven a 05+ Mustang but have rode in a couple and it still has that Ford Taurus feel to it.


But you are the only one saying that it is a better car then yours or mine. My whole point is that if you hate the way the car looks and drives and never plan on buying one then how is it better then your car? I guess it comes down to 1 question. Would you rather have your GTA or the GT500 if someone gave you the option? If someone offered me a C5 Z06 or my WS6 I would take the Z06 because to me the Z06 is a better car then mine.

So because I think the car is better than ours I'm obsessed with it? Dude you're grasping at straws. It seems like, with you, that if you're not sucking GM's dick about the Fbody then you're a hater. I'm an automotive enthusiast that happens to love Fbodies.

To answer your question....would I take a GT500 over my GTA? Hmmmm....the way it sits now? Abso-****in-lutely. The GTA is a high 12 second car...meh....it's quick but still needs work. I'd rock the GT500 for a while(it's faster, handles better). I'd learn to get used to the way it drives. I'd then sell it and finish the GTA the way I plan on(which will give a GT500 a run for its $$$$).

So yes, a faster car that handles better that has a warranty(and that is worth $55K) compared to a great looking car that is slower and needs work. It's a no brainer.

Like I said, to each their own and we'll agree to disagree...it's just funny that I'm being called a hater and being obsessed with the car considering I've owned the same amount or 1 more Fbody than you have. Just a bit of irony.

BTW we're just gonna keep going back and forth on this so lets just nip it now lol I'll agree to disagree.

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by Frosty

So because I think the car is better than ours I'm obsessed with it? .

I know the truth. You're obsessed with Josh. In a man-love-probably-not-but-maybe-in-a-gay way.

[Frosty]

It's true......I can't help it.

The man-date's we go on every Thursday are just awesome...but alas....we could never be.

OK, I have to stop or else people might start thinking the wrong thing

[Z28 Heritage]

Okay you got me on the GN thats the only nice V6 Muscle Sport Car.

[SteveR]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Yeah...youre right....

technically Porsches are flat 6s, not V6s

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by 92camarodude

Okay you got me on the GN thats the only nice V6 Muscle Sport Car.

89 turbo trans am?

[Z28 Heritage]

Yea so what does that make Two Nice V6 cars don't show me Imports. I mean Real cars not little toys.


By the way I would love a GTA in Black. They look so good

[SteveR]

1.21 GIGWATTS!!!

[Slow-V6]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

89 turbo trans am?

Now that thing is sexy. I love the white GTA t/a body style. Would definatly rock a 3rd gen GTA over a GT500. Miss my 88 GTA very much. Damn Iraq war.

Originally Posted by Frosty

it's just funny that I'm being called a hater and being obsessed with the car considering I've owned the same amount or 1 more Fbody than you have. Just a bit of irony.
.

I have owned 10 Fbodies, 2 mustangs, 3 Shelby Dodge daytonas, 1 300zx, and a couple other daily driver type cars. I have owned 5 3rd gens ,4 4th gens, and a 2nd gen.

Originally Posted by Frosty

. I'm an automotive enthusiast that happens to love Fbodies.

.

Good for you. I am an automotive enthusiast that loves Fbodies as well and every other car that I think is cool I give it a try ( depending on price of course) and if I like it I will keep it as well or will always look out for one to buy. Thats why I have owned other sports cars. If I am on GM nuts like you say then why would I own a Mustang, or Daytona, or even a Nissan sports car? I liked the mustang untill I owned 2 of them and learned to hate them, I still love the old shelby daytonas, I always loved the looks of the 90's 300zx untill I owned one and learned to hate it as well.