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08-14-2009, 12:26 PM
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08-14-2009, 12:43 PM
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Bumper wasn't a production car #1
#2 cable and caliper are supplier problems.
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08-14-2009, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28
Bumper wasn't a production car #1
#2 cable and caliper are supplier problems.
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08-14-2009, 01:05 PM
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OK fine, how bout we talk about some z06 roofs...
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Originally Posted by LTb1ow
Junk the pos, spend the money on beer, acquire headache.
Same result cept this headache doesnt last months.
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08-14-2009, 01:06 PM
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how dare you sir, this is an F-body forum
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dumbass.
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08-14-2009, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Knipps
how dare you sir, this is an F-body forum
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Werd, GTFO with your z06!
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08-14-2009, 01:13 PM
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That was a gm problem.
Tough to shift blame when gm doesn't make the caliper or cables.
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08-14-2009, 01:32 PM
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damnit im sorry that right O HAIL TO THE F-BODY I HATE ALL OTHER CARS EVER MADE EXCEPT FOR THE F-BODY
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Originally Posted by LTb1ow
Junk the pos, spend the money on beer, acquire headache.
Same result cept this headache doesnt last months.
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08-14-2009, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ShowSomePromise
Yea, but eh.
Ever see batteries that have been over charged? Exploded? Electric motors seized up? Or overheated?
Electric is not easy.
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Im not saying they are fool proof but they are indeed much easier to make than a piston motor and all the attachments for it. The only reason we can produce piston motors so well and cheaply is because they have been around forever and everyone builds them. A brushless motor has 1 moving part, no reciprocating assembly, and 2 bearings, and batteries have no moving parts at all. Besides that anything can break regardless of what it is so i dont even know what your point is really
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08-14-2009, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Savage_Messiah
damnit im sorry that right O HAIL TO THE F-BODY I HATE ALL OTHER CARS EVER MADE EXCEPT FOR THE F-BODY
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dude, f-bodys are garbage. come on now.
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08-14-2009, 02:24 PM
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As far as the lithium ion battery technology itself, it's pretty sick. Example: my new cell phone. I charged it on Sunday, I think, and keep it on all day long. It's only down one bar, 6 days later. And, I have a Craftsman 19.2v LI battery for my cordless drill. That thing will run down into the red zone with nearly the same amount of power, then just shut down. And the charge lasts quite a while too. If they're using that sort of technology on the Volt, that's pretty damn cool.
And, my commute is 10 miles each way, maybe 13 if I carpool with my wife. If it could do 40 miles without using any gas, I'd be set for a couple of days. Cool!
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08-14-2009, 04:19 PM
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08-14-2009, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by TPI Monte SS
As far as the lithium ion battery technology itself, it's pretty sick. Example: my new cell phone. I charged it on Sunday, I think, and keep it on all day long. It's only down one bar, 6 days later. And, I have a Craftsman 19.2v LI battery for my cordless drill. That thing will run down into the red zone with nearly the same amount of power, then just shut down. And the charge lasts quite a while too. If they're using that sort of technology on the Volt, that's pretty damn cool.
And, my commute is 10 miles each way, maybe 13 if I carpool with my wife. If it could do 40 miles without using any gas, I'd be set for a couple of days. Cool!
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Indeed Lithium Ion technology is a great thing...much lighter and more power at that.
IDK if many of you remember GM did make an electric car which was referred to as EV1 around 2000 I believe. It was a great car. It used a NiH battery setup which would allow the car to run about 120 miles. More than anyone could ever need. Even NiH batterys work pretty well. The reason the car was killed is really speculation. Some say big oil had a hand in it, but its one of those issues that has been swept under the doormat.
The car was so reliable being that the engine was basically maintenance free. Dealerships couldn't make any money in aftersales on them. The big cost of them was the battery pack, which still didn't cost more than an engine replacement, and was much less labor intensive.
Thinking about it I think a move to a totally electric car would be good also, given the way lithium ion battery technology is
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Originally Posted by J.Reed
Im not saying they are fool proof but they are indeed much easier to make than a piston motor and all the attachments for it. The only reason we can produce piston motors so well and cheaply is because they have been around forever and everyone builds them. A brushless motor has 1 moving part, no reciprocating assembly, and 2 bearings, and batteries have no moving parts at all. Besides that anything can break regardless of what it is so i dont even know what your point is really
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Two stroke diesel. Run forever, and ever and ever and ever....
However... the clouds of black smoke probably don't go over well with the EPA...
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08-14-2009, 10:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28
That was a gm problem.
Tough to shift blame when gm doesn't make the caliper or cables.
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When an average bubba from the trailer park buys a car he does not give two ****s if it's a supplier problem, or Vladimir Putin's fault; the big sticker upfront says CHEVY - so it's GM's problem. Do you think your average person is gonna go to the supplier to resolve the issue? no I don't think so... The fault was on a car GM put out, it was their problem they didn't catch it in time.
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08-14-2009, 11:00 PM
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I agree with the Russian fellow.
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Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
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08-15-2009, 03:06 AM
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They drove the cars around the world with no problem.
When they get to batches of parts from the suppliers when its production time, I guess something changed.
Its GM's problem to fix, not GM's problem it made.
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08-15-2009, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider
dude, f-bodys are garbage. come on now.
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Ohh noes, the blasphemy!
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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28
Its GM's problem to fix
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I cropped out unimportant parts. More problems with a car with their name on it = the crappier it will be in the eyes of the people, regardless who you want to blame for it.
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08-15-2009, 09:52 AM
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The battery cable problem was fixed within a week of the car hitting the streets. GM fixed it.
The Caliper problem is being worked on with Brembo. It poses no saftey problem, just an annoying squeeling problem. Its all a matter of making a heavier caliper.
Problems happen with all cars, and Im sure the Volt will have its share. Especially on new technology that has not been seen in any car, ever.
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08-15-2009, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28
Problems happen with all cars, and Im sure the Volt will have its share. Especially on new technology that has not been seen in any car, ever.
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The Volt really isnt new technology, just new to GM for the most part. The Tesla Roadster is basically the same thing but 100% battery
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08-15-2009, 10:40 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28
The battery cable problem was fixed within a week of the car hitting the streets. GM fixed it.
The Caliper problem is being worked on with Brembo. It poses no saftey problem, just an annoying squeeling problem. Its all a matter of making a heavier caliper.
Problems happen with all cars, and Im sure the Volt will have its share. Especially on new technology that has not been seen in any car, ever.
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ugh whys everything gotta be heavier, just put smaller wheels on the damn thing.
and the cable.....how is it a suppliers fault, if the cable gets routed along the car on gm's assembly line?
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It started before I drove your car. I just have to look at it the wrong way and your car poops parts.
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08-15-2009, 10:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28
The battery cable problem was fixed within a week of the car hitting the streets. GM fixed it.
The Caliper problem is being worked on with Brembo. It poses no saftey problem, just an annoying squeeling problem. Its all a matter of making a heavier caliper.
Problems happen with all cars.
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I agree problems happen with all the cars, no car is immune to a problem. With that said, just because something does not present a safety problem does not mean it's not important. Case and point, you know that I recently bought a car - 7 months later my ****ing hood scoop melted! Is that a safety issue? not at all. Am I annoyed that my, pretty much, brand new car has a god damn melted hood scoop because some idiot in BMW wanted to save some money on a plastic part? Hell yea, I am. And their official solution to my problem (it's a well known problem, not just me) is? Well they said they will keep replacing it until my warranty runs out... isn't that great?
So next time it melts, I have to drive to the dealer, wait 3 to 6 weeks for the replacement, than repeat the same process again. Awesome!
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08-15-2009, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by PolarBear
The Volt really isnt new technology, just new to GM for the most part. The Tesla Roadster is basically the same thing but 100% battery
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Battery technolgy is the same. LithIon battery isnt new, im on one righ now.
Hooking up an engine to a generator, which recharge the batteries, which drive the car, and making several thousands of them a year, in a robotic factory, with a 10/150k mile warranty, for under 40k....
Tesla cant do that.
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Originally Posted by cbrrmike
ugh whys everything gotta be heavier, just put smaller wheels on the damn thing.
and the cable.....how is it a suppliers fault, if the cable gets routed along the car on gm's assembly line?
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Wheels aren tthe problem. The problem is that I belive after the pads wear down 1/2 way, there is a squeal that is amplified by the lightness of the caliper. The vibration is dampened by additional weights placed on the caliper.
Cable's insulation was faulty.
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08-15-2009, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by PolarBear
The Volt really isnt new technology, just new to GM for the most part. The Tesla Roadster is basically the same thing but 100% battery
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and you know that thing is the biggest POS ever, right?
like al said, every car has its quirks. 1st production cars get it the worst.
go look up TSB's on any newer car, say a chrysler product. they are the worst.
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Golf carts ftw.
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