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03-26-2011, 06:30 PM
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Roll cage questions
I'm currently rebuilding my '83 camaro and I was thinking of putting a roll cage in for safety reasons but also for rigidity reasons. When the cars done i wanna run autox courses and some road racing events so I figured I should make it up to their rules.
I got the SCCA 2011 rule book online but haven't looked into it yet.
I was wondering if anyone could recommend one. I don't have access to a tubing bender so making one myself isn't reasonable. But I do have someone who can weld well so installation isn't an issue.
Any help/thoughts/pointers are welcome!
And 198esp1, I did read your cage build thread. Just looking for some information that would aid a novice, My car won't be driven as competitively as his.
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03-26-2011, 07:42 PM
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depending on what you want, you need to look at the scca gcr. roll gage tubing size is determined by vehical weight. my car has 1.75x.120
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03-26-2011, 08:23 PM
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Ayatollah of Rock N Rolla / Admin
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I have to ask, and I'm not trying to be a prick. Cage or Bar?
I put a 6pt S&W bar into my brother's chevelle and it came out nice. It's not that far a drive to S&W to go and pick it up if you go that route, to save on shipping.
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03-26-2011, 08:24 PM
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No worries, cage though.
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1983 camaro- Scrap
1988 camaro- Also scrap
'05 Silverado- You guessed it, scrap
1988 TRX 250R- Ported w/ high compression on 110 octane- Out 60' your LT1
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03-26-2011, 09:45 PM
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S&W makes a nice piece.. have one in my car and the fit was neat and clean..mild steel around $175 and can ad a swing-out for around $30.
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03-26-2011, 10:18 PM
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03-26-2011, 10:21 PM
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great thank you!
Do you know off the top of your head if SCCA says you need to have a cage? Or will a bar suffice to a certain point?
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1983 camaro- Scrap
1988 camaro- Also scrap
'05 Silverado- You guessed it, scrap
1988 TRX 250R- Ported w/ high compression on 110 octane- Out 60' your LT1
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and once i get PHB, what do i ajust it too?
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03-26-2011, 10:40 PM
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for autocross you dont need a bar or cage. I put mine in for chassis stiffness, my suspension has no rubber bushings it is 100% rod ends. Im just trying to get the suspension to work as efficiently as possible and eliminating chassis flex is one way.
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03-26-2011, 11:21 PM
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I agree. I've been researching for a few months now and thats how I'm trying to build my car up. I'm just trying not to dump tons of money into it now and realize after the fact that i could have done something better. Especially in something with a lot of fab work like a roll cage.
Does something like a 10 pt cage give you more rigidity than lets say an 8 pt bar?
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1983 camaro- Scrap
1988 camaro- Also scrap
'05 Silverado- You guessed it, scrap
1988 TRX 250R- Ported w/ high compression on 110 octane- Out 60' your LT1
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03-27-2011, 07:06 PM
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typically a 10 point will stiffen up the chassis more than just a 8 or 6 point as long as your pads are in the right spots.
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03-27-2011, 08:08 PM
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awesome thank you, I was thinking of running them through the floor pans to the SFCs. Is that a crazy thought?
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1983 camaro- Scrap
1988 camaro- Also scrap
'05 Silverado- You guessed it, scrap
1988 TRX 250R- Ported w/ high compression on 110 octane- Out 60' your LT1
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Originally Posted by LS1ow
and once i get PHB, what do i ajust it too?
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03-27-2011, 08:35 PM
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awesome thank you, I was thinking of running them through the floor pans to the SFCs. Is that a crazy thought?
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I think that's how most would do the install.
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03-27-2011, 09:18 PM
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Good to know, anyone have pictures of them done? Or where should i start searching?
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1983 camaro- Scrap
1988 camaro- Also scrap
'05 Silverado- You guessed it, scrap
1988 TRX 250R- Ported w/ high compression on 110 octane- Out 60' your LT1
Jersey Shore Street Car Takeover (JSSCT) Founder
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Originally Posted by LS1ow
and once i get PHB, what do i ajust it too?
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Originally Posted by Jersey Mike
Seven.
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03-27-2011, 09:19 PM
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Quote:
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awesome thank you, I was thinking of running them through the floor pans to the SFCs. Is that a crazy thought?
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I think that's how most would do the install.
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Or section the floor and tuck the SFC's up into the interior. This will help ground clearance, chassis stiffening and give you landing points for some of the bars. Then stitch the floor back to the side of the SFC. More work for sure, but the payoff is probably worth it.
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03-27-2011, 09:21 PM
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Or section the floor and tuck the SFC's up into the interior. This will help ground clearance, chassis stiffening and give you landing points for some of the bars. Then stitch the floor back to the side of the SFC. More work for sure, but the payoff is probably worth it.
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i really like that idea, time to start up some drawings!
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1983 camaro- Scrap
1988 camaro- Also scrap
'05 Silverado- You guessed it, scrap
1988 TRX 250R- Ported w/ high compression on 110 octane- Out 60' your LT1
Jersey Shore Street Car Takeover (JSSCT) Founder
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Originally Posted by LS1ow
and once i get PHB, what do i ajust it too?
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Originally Posted by Jersey Mike
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03-27-2011, 10:26 PM
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in a road race /autocross 3rd gen with a full cage you usally dont use a frame connector. you could use a bar between the b and a pillers welded to the rocker. Here is what I would like to see if you were serious about chassis stiffness and safety. The cage is a blainfabrication job. Blain is a top race car fabricator in california and specializes in road race camaros. my cage is basically a copy of some of his work
http://www.blainefabrication.com/pro...tz/schotz1.jpg
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03-27-2011, 10:33 PM
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absolutely, in the next few weeks i'll come up with some design ideas and post them up
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1983 camaro- Scrap
1988 camaro- Also scrap
'05 Silverado- You guessed it, scrap
1988 TRX 250R- Ported w/ high compression on 110 octane- Out 60' your LT1
Jersey Shore Street Car Takeover (JSSCT) Founder
Quote:
Originally Posted by LS1ow
and once i get PHB, what do i ajust it too?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jersey Mike
Seven.
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