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12-02-2013, 07:22 PM
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thinking of a new cam
I'm leaning towards a cc306 for my 97 Trans Am. I love the sound. And I heard it runs well with stock heads. What would I need for supporting mods? I'm not doing this myself so is there somewhere that wouldn't charge me out the ass? Thanks guys
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12-02-2013, 07:51 PM
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I had this cam and while it sounded great, there are better grinds out there. What mods do your currently have on the car and what is your goal?
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12-02-2013, 07:56 PM
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Old cam, but if sound is all you want, then it will work well.
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12-02-2013, 08:15 PM
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Old cam, but if sound is all you want, then it will work well.
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Honestly, it really is lol
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12-02-2013, 08:18 PM
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GM847, go for broke then.
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12-02-2013, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackbirdws6
I had this cam and while it sounded great, there are better grinds out there. What mods do your currently have on the car and what is your goal?
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Basically stock, lm1, intake, rebuilt heads, rebuilt trans, larger posi
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12-02-2013, 08:26 PM
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Basically stock, lm1, intake, rebuilt heads, rebuilt trans, larger posi
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No headers?
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12-02-2013, 08:36 PM
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No headers?
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I have pacesetters but they aren't on yet
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12-02-2013, 08:36 PM
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Cam, valvetrain, computer tune, converter plus all the little odds and ends to add to it since it is a 16 year old motor.
Picking a cam cause it "sounds good" isnt a good idea. The actual use of the car, power goals and budget would be the basis to go by.
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12-02-2013, 08:36 PM
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12-02-2013, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by deadtrend1
Cam, valvetrain, computer tune, converter plus all the little odds and ends to add to it since it is a 16 year old motor.
Picking a cam cause it "sounds good" isnt a good idea. The actual use of the car, power goals and budget would be the basis to go by.
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I don't drive the car daily. I'm not looking for as much hp I can get. And yeah I understand picking it cause it sounds good isn't a good idea, but would it still be risky to run that cam with all supporting mods?
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12-02-2013, 08:45 PM
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Car has 93, 1xx
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12-02-2013, 08:45 PM
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.... but would it still be risky to run that cam with all supporting mods?
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I dunno what exactly youre asking here cause i dunno what cam youre talking about
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12-02-2013, 08:50 PM
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I dunno what exactly youre asking here cause i dunno what cam youre talking about
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With the correct valve springs and rr, would the 306 be a bad choice?
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12-02-2013, 08:52 PM
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With the correct valve springs and rr, would the 306 be a bad choice?
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I would hope the correct valve springs and rockers would be used during the swap instead of the wrong ones.
Go for it. Stab the cam in and everything will be golden
and sweetbmxrider also went more in depth of the supporting mods that i listed.
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12-02-2013, 09:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Italian Stallion
would it still be risky to run that cam with all supporting mods?
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Car has 93, 1xx
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Based on this, yes it would. That engine has seen some time and distance. The cam's powerband is not what you would use. What rear gears do you have?
Throw the headers on first. Then see.
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12-02-2013, 09:03 PM
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on a related note with the headers, you're probably using the pacesetter off road Y pipe?
if so, do you got a way to get the car inspected?
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12-02-2013, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by deadtrend1
on a related note with the headers, you're probably using the pacesetter off road Y pipe?
if so, do you got a way to get the car inspected?
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Its a 97, tune it and toss some fake cats on it.
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12-10-2013, 09:35 AM
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If all you are looking for is a ruffer idle, just look for a cam with a tight LSA - 111-112 with less duration then a 306 and it won't effect the drivabilty as much.
If you want the big cam:
http://www.97transam.com/97ta-cam.php
306 or 847 - use the same parts. Car had about 60K on it so he repalced everything while we had it apart.
Same as you, Ron wanted to up the performance and add some sound.
The cam did not like the stock convertor at all! Very sluggish on throttle tip in, and would stall in reverse. Once we installed the Yank 3600 the car runs amazing. Car is a blast on the street!
Your personal preference on how loose you want the convertor, you don't need 3600 RPM if you want less, that would work too. It has Mac shorties, stock heads and gears and runs fine. Car runs low 12s, and can probably see high 11's with a little tweaking, and that is right where he wanted to be.
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12-10-2013, 12:00 PM
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The car's an auto with no converter? Your next mod should be a converter as the biggest bang for the buck. Stock converter+any of the cams you mentioned=No Bueno.
My vote is a Yank SS3600. Excellent street/strip converter.
You need to do all the 'bolt-on' mods first. You also need a good converter. Don't cheap out on the converter! You'll regret it. Also, don't do a cam *before* full bolt-ons and a converter, because you will *really* regret it. Also, you'll need a tune with the cam, then you'll need a re-tune once you do the converter/bolt-ons. You can do bolt-ons and a converter with no tune, then tune it once the cam's in.
Also, **** 'image' and 'sound'. Performance and drive-ability is where it's at with a street car. Don't install some donkey-dick cam looking for 'maximum POWAH' because it'll make you hate the car when it doesn't idle for crap, makes you smell like gasoline everytime you drive it, gets rotten mileage, and generally makes driving the car a miserable experience. Also, it's embarrassing when your top-fuel-idling pig gets it's ass handed to it every time you run it by cars that don't 'sound as good' because the other guy used his brain in picking his mods/cam and not his balls and/or interwebs-penis.
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12-10-2013, 07:05 PM
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You're a fool if you select a cam with a powerband much higher than 6,000-6,200 RPMS with stock heads. Also finding someone to do the long tubes on the cheap, they are a very tight fit... mine rub my motor mount on one side.
I'd probably charge somebody $525-600 to install a set at my shop. You'd need a hollowed out catalytic converter and tune to get rid of the rear oxygen sensor too.
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12-12-2013, 12:01 PM
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alright cool guys, sorry haven't posted back in a while real busy with finals. Thanks for the help. I see jumping into a cam for sound isn't the smartest thing to do lol.
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12-12-2013, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Italian Stallion
alright cool guys, sorry haven't posted back in a while real busy with finals. Thanks for the help. I see jumping into a cam for sound isn't the smartest thing to do lol.
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No, it isn't. You are not alone, though. Far from it. Comp came out with the "Thumpr" line of cams for guys who have to have the big cam sound. It's a reverse split pattern (more intake than exhaust) and is universally regarded as poor performing.
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12-12-2013, 04:17 PM
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What about a LT4 cam? That sounds like the closest to both worlds. It will give you the sound but also drive well
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