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shane27 · 01-06-2007, 01:04 AM

drugs are stupid, and mj isnt a drug its an herb

Knipps · 01-06-2007, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by shane27

drugs are stupid, and mj isnt a drug its an herb

yeah ok, and what would you call peyote?

Koll · 01-06-2007, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Chevelle 454

yeah ok, and what would you call peyote?

What about Salvia?
That is a legal mind altering substance, that is stronger than Pot, Shrooms and most hits of acid, yet its still legal.

Knipps · 01-06-2007, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Koll

What about Salvia?
That is a legal mind altering substance, that is stronger than Pot, Shrooms and most hits of acid, yet its still legal.

i didn't say anything about legality, peyote technically isn't illegal

PBodyGT87 · 01-06-2007, 11:29 AM

Well, if it wasn't for potheads, my car wouldn't be totalled right now. And another thing, it alters your DNA. Thinking about having kids when you're older? They might end up with down-syndrome.

Knipps · 01-06-2007, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by PBodyGT87

Well, if it wasn't for potheads, my car wouldn't be totalled right now. And another thing, it alters your DNA. Thinking about having kids when you're older? They might end up with down-syndrome.

that's 1/2 right?
damages DNA in cells (like tobacco) but has nothing to do w/ down's syndrome

79CamaroDiva · 01-06-2007, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Chevelle 454

that's 1/2 right?
damages DNA in cells (like tobacco) but has nothing to do w/ down's syndrome

no. shes completely right. weed damages the dna on your reproductive cells permanently. the chances that you conceive a child with the damaged dna are slim, but the more you smoke the more it damages..

Knipps · 01-06-2007, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 79CamaroDiva

no. shes completely right. weed damages the dna on your reproductive cells permanently. the chances that you conceive a child with the damaged dna are slim, but the more you smoke the more it damages..

no luck on

links?

down's syndrome doesn't come from damaged DNA
it's the result of nondisjunction in metaphase when the reproductive cells divide
bio 151 FTW

79CamaroDiva · 01-06-2007, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chevelle 454

no luck on

links?

down's syndrome doesn't come from damaged DNA
it's the result of nondisjunction in metaphase when the reproductive cells divide
bio 151 FTW

this isnt something from the intra web.. its from high school.. might actually have to look in a :gasp: book for it.

down's syndrome is caused by an extra chromosome.. by having 47 instead of 46. you probably should have googled that too.

Knipps · 01-06-2007, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 79CamaroDiva

this isnt something from the intra web.. its from high school.. might actually have to look in a :gasp: book for it.

down's syndrome is caused by an extra chromosome.. by having 47 instead of 46. you probably should have googled that too.

i know that, it's trisomy (or 3) of chromosome 21.
and you've just repeated what i said? except mine was the origins and yours was the result

qwikz28 · 01-06-2007, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 79CamaroDiva

this isnt something from the intra web.. its from high school.. might actually have to look in a :gasp: book for it.

down's syndrome is caused by an extra chromosome.. by having 47 instead of 46. you probably should have googled that too.

what ryan is trying to say is that there is no direct correlation made between marijuana and birth defects. sure, it makes sense that if pot alters your DNA that it will in turn increase the chance of birth defects, but without any type of scientific proof, it is simply considered speculation.

for example, this 70 degree weather we have today is not normal. is it caused by global warming? probably, but theres no way to prove it but any person who knows anything about the ozone and weather patterns would bet their ass that its caused by global warming, but since they can't prove it, theres no way to place the blame on it.

Knipps · 01-06-2007, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by qwikz28

what ryan is trying to say is that there is no direct correlation made between marijuana and birth defects. sure, it makes sense that if pot alters your DNA that it will in turn increase the chance of birth defects, but without any type of scientific proof, it is simply considered speculation.

for example, this 70 degree weather we have today is not normal. is it caused by global warming? probably, but theres no way to prove it but any person who knows anything about the ozone and weather patterns would bet their ass that its caused by global warming, but since they can't prove it, theres no way to place the blame on it.

thanks jake

that, and i tend to fall devil's advocate

qwikz28 · 01-06-2007, 12:38 PM

i know for a fact when i have kids, those little craps are getting jobs when they are 14 and religious or not, i'm throwing them in church and making them do sports. my kids aren't gonna be bored and im not gonna give them time to do stupid stuff. ideally, i'd like my kids to have similar hobbies to me so i can spend time with them as well. parenting has become very difficult...

ar0ck · 01-06-2007, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

Cars & girls..the things that drain the teenage wallet.

I gotta admit, theres nothing better then those two combined!

Brando56894 · 01-06-2007, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 79CamaroDiva

this isnt something from the intra web.. its from high school.. might actually have to look in a :gasp: book for it.

down's syndrome is caused by an extra chromosome.. by having 47 instead of 46. you probably should have googled that too.

you believe everything you learn in school??

ive never even heard of this... nor have i ever seen/heard proof of it. i know tons of ppl that their parents smoke and their kids are fine, prolly just another one of those outlandish claims like "LSD will make you go blind" or something stupid liek that.

as for ppl from my HS class i dont think any of them have died from drug overdoses, smack is hard to get down here.... ive never even heard about anyone having it or never saw it untili went to live with chris at rutgers

either way its retarded ****...

PBodyGT87 · 01-07-2007, 11:36 AM

It doesn't have to be down syndrome, though you do increase the chances, it could be any defect, anywhere from genetic diseases to cancer, or minor defects. The bottom line is, when you alter your DNA, it runs high risk of the childs DNA having a defect of some kind. Parents who haven't done any drugs produce healthier more proportionate and extremely intelligent children. As far as I know, I want the best for my kids.

Brando56894 · 01-07-2007, 10:25 PM

i feel this is ********, if it alters you DNA then why do they use it in the medical field as a pain killer/appetite enhancer?

give me an article that says this is and its references. ive looked all over the internet and cant find one proven fact except speculation from the average joe. this one page has 90% of the info about cannabis and i dont see anything in there about it. Erowid's Cannabis Vault

taken from the Marijuana FAQ on erowid:

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Doesn't Marijuana cause brain damage?
The short answer: No.

The long answer: The reason why you ask this is because you probably heard or read somewhere that marijuana damages brain cells, or makes you stupid. These claims are untrue.

The first one -- marijuana kills brain cells -- is based on research done during the second Reefer Madness Movement. A study attempted to show that marijuana smoking damaged brain structures in monkeys. However, the study was poorly performed and it was severely criticized by a medical review board. Studies done afterwards failed to show any brain damage, in fact a very recent study on Rhesus monkeys used technology so sensitive that scientists could actually see the effect of learning on brain cells, and it found no damage.

But this was Reefer Madness II, and the prohibitionists were looking around for anything they could find to keep the marijuana legalization movement in check, so this study was widely used in anti-marijuana propaganda. It was recanted later.

(To this day, the radical anti-drug groups, like P.R.I.D.E. and Dr. Gabriel Nahas, still use it -- In fact, America's most popular drug education program, Drug Abuse Resistance Education, claims that marijuana ``can impair memory perception & judgement by destroying brain cells.'' When police and teachers read this and believe it, our job gets really tough, since it takes a long time to explain to children how Ms. Jones and Officer Bob were wrong.)

The truth is, no study has ever demonstrated cellular damage, stupidity, mental impairment, or insanity brought on specifically by marijuana use -- even heavy marijuana use. This is not to say that it cannot be abused, however.

BonzoHansen · 01-07-2007, 10:29 PM

Hey, if weed alters my DNA, if I go commit crimes, then smoke a lot of weed, will that mean they can't match my DNA in the CSI labs?

They told us in school weed reduces sperm count in guys and ovulation issues in ladies.

Brando56894 · 01-07-2007, 10:54 PM

what you said in the last sentence is also proven false, another fact that some of the stuff they teach you in school is ********.

taken from another FAQ:

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9 Q. What About All Those Scary Statistics and Studies?

A. Most were prepared as scare tactics for the government by Dr. Gabriel
Nahas, and were so biased and unscientific that Nahas was fired by
the National Institute of Health [16] and finally renounced his own
studies as meaningless [17]. For one experiment, he suffocated monkeys
for five minutes at a time, using proportionately more smoke than the
average user inhales in an entire lifetime [18]. The other studies
that claim sensational health risks are also suspect, since they lack
controls and produce results which cannot be replicated or
independently verified [19]

19. In another famous study, Heath/Tulane (1974), wild monkeys were
brutally captured, then virtually suffocated in marijuana smoke over a
period of 90 days. Source: National Institute of Health.

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Parents who haven't done any drugs produce healthier more proportionate and extremely intelligent children.

granted some drugs will screw up your children, but that is mostly the case when the certain drug is used by the mother during the course of the pregnancy. such as alcohol, cocaine and crack. (lets go about 7 or so years in the future) so what your saying is that if i smoke a blunt, then have sex with my wife and get her pregnant, nine months later my child will not be as healthy, proportionate and as intelligent as lets say your children?? thats ****ing ********. i could see how if my pregnant wife was smoking with me or was in the vicinity of me while i was smoking it would have a slight effect on the babys health, but wouldnt have the power to change a person's DNA, thats just outlandish.

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Originally Posted by PBodyGT87

Well, if it wasn't for potheads, my car wouldn't be totalled right now. And another thing, it alters your DNA. Thinking about having kids when you're older? They might end up with down-syndrome.

and if it wasnt for alcohol my brother's best friend and a few of my friends would still be alive, whats your point? it wasnt necessarily the pot that caused the person to wreck your car, any person could have done it. that last sentence is what really annoys me liz, i dont have anything against you at all but thats just stupid in the future anyone's child could end up with downs syndrome, sure there are some things that probably increase the chances but i doubt marijuana is one of them

Knipps · 01-07-2007, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Brando56894

i feel this is ********, if it alters you DNA then why do they use it in the medical field as a pain killer/appetite enhancer?

give me an article that says this is and its references. ive looked all over the internet and cant find one proven fact except speculation from the average joe. this one page has 90% of the info about cannabis and i dont see anything in there about it. Erowid's Cannabis Vault

taken from the Marijuana FAQ on erowid:

[Pot Impacts Heart]
http://www.webmd.com/content/article/22/1728_55387.htm

but

[Marijuana Chemical Fights Hardened Arteries]
http://www.webmd.com/content/article/104/107266.htm

enjoy

Brando56894 · 01-07-2007, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 79CamaroDiva

no. shes completely right. weed damages the dna on your reproductive cells permanently. the chances that you conceive a child with the damaged dna are slim, but the more you smoke the more it damages..

check this out: Marijuana Myths, Claim No. 7

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Originally Posted by Chevelle 454

[Pot Impacts Heart]
http://www.webmd.com/content/article/22/1728_55387.htm

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Originally Posted by webmd

Smaha says it is clear that "more research needs to be done to delve into the mechanism at work here." Mittleman agrees and says that his study doesn't provide enough information to determine whether it is marijuana itself that is causing the increased risk or whether it is associated with other elements in the smoke, such as carbon monoxide. He says it is clear that "inhaled fine particles have adverse health effects."...

The study also shows that frequent marijuana use was certainly not a requirement to be at risk of having a heart attack. Of the marijuana users, 32 used it a few times a month and 40 used marijuana less than once a month, Mittleman says.

The Marijuana Policy Project (MPP), a Washington-based group that lobbies for laws to decriminalize marijuana use and supports the use of medical marijuana, immediately issued a press release warning that the study could be misinterpreted. MPP spokesperson Chuck Thomas tells WebMD, "Our concern is that some legislator is going to say that marijuana causes heart attacks. That's not what this study says."... Thomas says the risk of adverse events with marijuana use is "comparable to [the] risk associated with legal drugs."

...That report concluded that there was no significant risk of heart disease due to marijuana in young marijuana users but urged a study of its effect in older populations...

enjoy

oh i did

Tru2Chevy · 01-07-2007, 11:42 PM

OK, time to end the mary-jane banter and get back to our regularly scheduled thread....

- Justin

Brando56894 · 01-07-2007, 11:43 PM

sorry justin but stupid claims like that just annoy me

firehawk1120 · 01-08-2007, 06:39 AM

The only good thing that comes from doing drugs is that you increase my chances of getting killed, or killing someone I love, or getting a better job then you, or having kids that are better then yours.

Have fun smoking pot, shooting heroin, or snorting coke it's all good for you. Never mind any POSSIBLE side effects it may have on you or your body. Just keep believing that nothing is going to bother you.

the best phrase in the world is that ignorance is bliss.

Anti_Rice_Guy · 01-08-2007, 04:06 PM

As a senior in HS, there have been 2 very serious accidents, and a total of 4 deaths (2 natural - kid had realllll bad asthma, died in sleep and the other one had a weird new kind of cancer). (2 auto related - same crash, happened 12/21/06. 4 kids in an Audi TT, going 75ish in a 25, ran up a tree. One kid impaled on tree (driver) one flew out of front window (flew into bushes, died) and another was very hurt - may never walk again and will need at least three major surgeries to the back). No drugs/alcohol involved in crash.

The other serious accident had drugs involved. Three potheads are in an early 00s Bimmer stick 2dr, and spin out, hit a tree. Driver was very hurt, but is now fine (occured last marchish). Front seat passenger flew out of window (wasn't wearing seatbelt) and had very serious forehead trauam but is now fine. The other was wearing a seatbelt in the back seat and was perfectly fine minus a few bruises.

As for me....I bide my time with car stuff, parties, girls, hangin out.