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			I would like some time to research what this woman has done before I talk too much about it... But I think McCain just sealed up his victory.  If she is as inexpirenced as you guys say, hopefully McCains expirence will compensate.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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				I would like some time to research what this woman has done before I talk too much about it... But I think McCain just sealed up his victory.  If she is as inexpirenced as you guys say, hopefully McCains expirence will compensate. 
			
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Sealed up the victory? 
Doesn't stand the chance? 
Have you guys been living in the same country I have for the past 8 years?
 
Republicans have a huge image to get over.  When the current president has a less then 25% approval rating,t hat means when he sits down with his wife and his two daughters for dinner, only one person at that table things he is doing a good job running the country.
 
McCain was very Anti-Bush 8 years ago, and I wished that he would have won the nod back in 2000.  Now, he talks the same line, only without the religious background.
 
If anything, Obama and Biden have this thing sealed.  McCain is gunna need a lot to win this...a lot.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			I STILL cant belive this.  Very left field.  If I was a boarder line republican, a call like this would make me question his choice, therefor question everything. 
I really like McCain, and I really wished he would pull away from the standard Republican bs that we have been choking down for 8 years.  He used to be almost dead center.   
 
The Dems have a dynomite ticket.  This choice from McCain is odd IMO.  This has more to do with oil then anything else...it would be easy to pass oil drilling bills in the senate if the President of the Senate just so happend to have the key vote, also has a lot of ties and relationships to Alaska.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			sealed the vote for me!! she was runner up for miss alaska!!! and used the money to pay for college. her husband is a pro fisherman on one of them big boats up there! bout time we get some "normal" people in charge
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			How is she any less qualified than Hillary who bought her NY Senate seat with no political background or Obama who hasn't done anything either?  Both tickets now have experienced people and sophmores.  But your choice comes down to having the sophmore as President vs the sophmore as VP.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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				LOL so McCain tries to smear Obama by saying he has no experience, then nominates Palin who  actually has no experience, other than the two years as Governor    And she's also trying to push the 'turn Alaska into an oil refinery'. How fitting. I don't think this will in any way attract Hillary supporters.  
			
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No experience...
 
So we may actually get someone who hasnt been around in the political scene for ever..who has not been currupted by it, and hasnt had there name dragged all around for things they have done in office (Since im sure they will find stuff she did as a 23 year old college girl or something..)
 
They dont know our foriegn policy...oh **** no..what if we have to stand on our own again as a country!
 
REFINE OUR OWN OIL?!?!?! FOR OURSELVES?!?!?! Can we do that?
 
I dunno guys, maybe someone who is fresh to it all isnt a bad thing.
 
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			Well then the same coudl be said about Obama? 
 
This move makes me less likely to vote for McCain. 
 
When the Reps talk about Obama's experiance, they talk in negitives.   
When the Reps defend Palin, they talk about how she will do allt his great stuff, or she is a fresh face, a new commer to the system... 
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			i dont know of any miss america or any miss anything for that matter....  i DO know of people that grew up with a single parent. or grew up with their grandparents like myself. i do know of people who chose a different life to help others. i do know of people who made insane sacrifices, like my mom, to make a change in my life. I do know of people who has fought time and time again to make some kind of change in our little city just for some idiot to ruin it but never backed down. i do know of people who HAVENT come from an ivy league family or a rich millionaire family but somehow was able to make something of themselves with something called hard work and dedication.  with that said how is obama not a normal person? how is biden not a normal person? i know a hell of a lot more people with a similar life story as biden and obama than i do with mccain or that other whats her name... 
 
and how in the world can anyone compare hillary and that chick??? what hillary did as a first lady alone was more than palin has ever done in her life. hillary wasnt just some chick that said hey let me run. shes married to a former president. she KNEW how the white house ran. she knew what it was about. lol obviously didnt know much about what was going on in the oval office, but she at least had a damn better idea of what was going on in politics than palin who is a gov of Alaska for god sakes.... and wtf man. when will people realize that we can drill every single inch of this country, it doesnt mean its the best idea. we NEED to start getting involved in other forms of fuel. Why are we so insistent on going after a product that has no advantages as some of the ground breaking alternatives thats available? and you guys really think that we'll actually see most of the oil that gets drilled??? HA. Mccain voted a few yearsback to drill, BUT to SELL the oil to other countries instead of using it here. do the research. yup. lets drill...
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			It's this strange concept that inexperience is a plus thats got this country in the crapper as it is now. The notion that you can take some shmo off the street and make them the second in command of the free world is unsettling, and to see so many Americans thinking its a good idea that further confirms my growing theory that Americans by and large are in fact too stupid to make a choice for themselves. Maybe Reagan's "New World Order" concept model of one giant spoon-fed police state was a good idea. Maybe the fact that the Electoral College actually chooses the next president and the public does not is a good thing, as we really do seem too mentally challenged as a whole to grasp complex issues and concepts. Shiny things, bright flashing lights, superficial ideals, and simple coercion. Bring on the rubber bullets! Bring on the flash grenades! Bring on the forced curfews! Bring on the mindless tv shows! Bring on the fast food! Connect our brains to the central belief center! Assimilate me! Make me like the rest of the mindless gutless spineless sheep! I dont want to have to think for myself! I dont want to be an individual! Where is Mao in America when we need him!
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			So you guys are saying JFK was a bad choice as well as Jimmy Carter because of inexperience.  Oh yeah, JFK came from a family of millionaires as well.  You need to use a balanced argument and you guys are not.  Like I said, we obviously have 2 experience people and 2 sophmores.  You can't do anything to change the choices now so make your pick, but don't force feed your opinion on people.  This thread will most likely get locked soon if you keep overreacting.  Post up valid points or don't post. 
 
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			Americans want change.  Obama has based his campain on it.  Now McCain has offered americans a chance for change (weather its real or not.)  But at the same time, we get to keep the security that the republican party has given us.  Everyone hates the fact that we are at war... But I hope most americans realize that we cant leave Iraq.  If we do, it will open season for terrorists.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			no im definatly not. i apologize if im coming out that way   .. inexperience is one thing. heck clinton didnt have much experience himself and was only 42 and look what he did.  but its impossible to compare the experience between obama who has faught in chicago for YEARS and has served in the senate for a few years as well to a person who JUST became a gov of ALASKA. And before that she was the mayor of a town with less than 10,000 people where their biggest issue was about some dog race..... There's a huge difference. the millionaire comment was in response to the comment made about her being "normal" because her husband is a fisherman...... i feel the examples i gave are much more common in this country than a fisherman. but what do i know. im not over reacting nor am i trying to push my opinion on anyone. i just cant grasp the concept of how anyone thinking this chick is even remotely CLOSE to being ready to lead a walk-a-thon let alone a VP or even an actual President god forbid something happens to McCain. And bush has hardly made this country more safe. Hell more people hate this country than ever before. we've managed to piss off and strain our friendships with our closest allies. i would hardly call that being protected. i feel MUCH safer knowing that there is someone who would be willing to negotiate and talk things over like a normal mature human BUT will throw down when its time to throw down rather than acting like an animal and geting into a fight with everyone. its simple grammar school logic. stay cool. if someone pisses you off try n talk it over. but the moment that person swings then its time to bang out and get dirty...... and if we were in war with the people responsible for the attacks on 9/11 it would be one thing. but to be lied to and have our emotions after 9/11 used against us just to get an excuse to go to war with iraq is just ridiculous. 
 
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				Americans want change.  Obama has based his campain on it.  Now McCain has offered americans a chance for change (weather its real or not.)  But at the same time, we get to keep the security that the republican party has given us.  Everyone hates the fact that we are at war... But I hope most americans realize that we cant leave Iraq.  If we do, it will open season for terrorists. 
			
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 First, what security have they given us? We now have the highest national debt in American history, more than 25% of the entire country is in foreclosure, more American jobs have been outsourced to other countries in the last 8 years than in the previous 224 years of this nation combined, our real estate market is in the toilet, business are going out of business at an accelerated rate, unemployment is on the rise, wages are lower today than five years ago, yet inflation is growing to over 5% a year, gas is nearly double what it was two years ago, our automobile industry is on the verge of collapse, our foreign policy for the last 8 years has led to every single other country hating us, and Americans can hardly pay their bills, yet big business has been reporting record profits every single quarter for years. What kind of security is that?
 
Second, we cant leave Iraq? Have you not been watching the news? The Iraqi government has declared that the US must be fully withdrawn from Iraq by December 2011, and the drawdown must begin this December, giving us three years to have every single American troop out of there. If we dont, we will be declaring war on the Iraqi government THAT WE CREATED!
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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				Steve has a thing for sheep.... 
			
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			08-29-2008, 07:27 PM
			
			
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			Well said, and security from false illusions of danger is not helpful.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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				repo bigals turd gen and part it out to a loving home 
			
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			it was put out no political posts so by me saying you have to be mature to understand the reason he picked a very good woman for the VP spot who BTW wont be an al gore in the closet, and she is just the thing he wanted to put him completely over the top - do i get badgered for my political view or no equal thinking allowed -- the nobamma crew mostly young and impressionable buy the drive buy media have a lot to learn before they think the likes of nobamma will get to be in the white house < now call me a racist its a badge i can wear but all the skinny dude can do is talk their is nothing behind the rhetoric -- jz
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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