questions for nj hangun owners...

[procamaroz28]

o gotcha

[EchoMirage]

10rds for a detachable rifle mag. pump shotguns are unlimited for # of rounds and accessories.

[jin1481]

15rd mag is the limit on handguns

[DevilDougWS6]

10 rounds is the limit for rifle magazines. 15 for handguns. and all gun laws are dumb, because criminals don't register their guns, nor do they buy them legally. the most outrageous firearm law has got to be the bayonet lug deal. If I want to cut someone up from a distance i will get a sword, but who the hell puts a bayonet on a rifle to run around slashing people?

[bad64chevelle]

Originally Posted by DevilDougWS6

the most outrageous firearm law has got to be the bayonet lug deal.

I got hassled twice at Ft. Dix for having the bayo lug on my Mauser...I got kinda ticked off, but they can call whoever they want, its a bolt action rifle, im still good to have it.


And shotgun is unlimited on a pump action only.

EDIT* The conflicting round #s and mag sizes in here are identical to what the authorities go through, NJ has such insane rules and regs it is hard to know what is the ACTUAL law. Just like our second amendment rights...yet we have to apply for the right to purchase firearms, and apply for a right to buy a pistol every time we want to buy one.

[SteveR]

And isn't hollow point ammo illegal in NJ too?

[Dark_Knight7096]

Originally Posted by DevilDougWS6

actually you CAN own a fully automatic weapon in NJ. BUT you need a class III permit which is hard to obtain, plus I believe you have to pay to hold on to it. It is basically a permit to buy and sell firearms to the public, so you would only need it if you intend to open a shop.

Actually Class III is not allowed in NJ for private citizens. The only people that can have Class III is what you stated, dealers only and even then it is insanely hard to get, I believe you have to be a dealer/supplier to LEO or .mil to get one (note you can sell to an individual in another state with Class III).

You DEFINATELY cannot own a fully auto AR-15 in NJ, as AR-15s are 100% illegal, they are listed by name on the list of assault weapons banned by the state. Semi-auto AR-15 style weapons are ok though.

[LTb1ow]

The real question is, other than burning through ammo like its your job... why the need for full auto...?

Its mostly useless if hitting targets is your goal...

[Dark_Knight7096]

Originally Posted by bad64chevelle

EDIT* The conflicting round #s and mag sizes in here are identical to what the authorities go through, NJ has such insane rules and regs it is hard to know what is the ACTUAL law. Just like our second amendment rights...yet we have to apply for the right to purchase firearms, and apply for a right to buy a pistol every time we want to buy one.

Magazine rules, cannot own a magazine with over a 15rd capacity, you can own one with a greater than 15rd capacity so long as it is permanently altered to not accept more than 15 rounds, for instance I have some P-Mag P20s that are permanently blocked to 15 rounds so they are ok.
Bayo lugs are not applicable on bolt guns, it has to be a semi-auto before the illegal feature list starts coming into play. I have a bayo lug on my PSL-54c and that's one of 2 "evil" features it can have, the other is a detachable mag. I get a pass on pistol grip because it has a full cutout stock so it is not considered a pistol grip but a skeleton stock, though i still get strange looks and crap from time to time.

The only shotguns that can be considered assault weapons are, again, semi auto. Bolt, pump, lever, breakaway, etc. do not count and anything you want can be done to them provided magazine capacity does not exceed 15 rounds.

To answer the other posters question, no, owning hollow-point ammo is not, in and of itself, illegal. However, if you are convicted of a crime, any crime, and any subsequent search of your person or property turns up hollow-point ammunition you will have an additional charge filed against you "felony possesion of hollow-points". There was an individual one time that held up a bank, didn't use guns to do it, no guns there whatsoever. Following his arrest, police searched his home and turned up 1 gun and 5 hollow-points, he was charged with felony possession of hollow-points.

To the OP, your question was pretty much answered but here you go:
To buy a handgun you must go to local PD, ask for permit to purchase pistol/revolver. Fill it out (almost same as FID), return it and wait. Whenever I hand in it takes me a week to get mine back but you can wait anywhere up to a month. It doesn't have to go through FBI and NJSP like your FID card does, it only has to go to the chief of your local PD for approval. You will need one for each pistol you plan to buy, and they are only good for 90 days. If 90 days go by and you don't purchase the permit is void. Most shops will allow you to purchase in anticipation of your purchasers permit to come through and will remove from the case and save in the back for you. When your permit goes through, come in they fill out permit, you go through NICS, they give you pistol you go home.

http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf...itle13ch54.pdf
N.J.A.C. 13:54-1.4 should be of specific interest for you, it is the part of the law that refers to permits to purchase.

[Mike]

a magazine is not a clip. stop watching gangster movies

[PolarBear]

Originally Posted by r0nin89

Nj is an optional registration state. Technically you dont have to register your firearms if they are brought from another state, purchased in another state, or hand me downs/gifts.

Where are you getting this information? I spoke to my friends uncle this weekend who is a retired Trenton Police officer and he said ALL firearms in NJ have to be registered.

Originally Posted by cbrrmike

a magazine is not a clip. stop watching gangster movies

This gets me too now that you pointed it out once to me.

Forget NJ and the permit laws, I will just have my grandfather buy all my firearms for me once I move back to NJ....

[DevilDougWS6]

That was one thing I have been trying to find out as well, whether or not I could use my leftover 30 round mags AS LONG AS I alter the internals to make them hold only 10 rounds.

And yes it is OPTIONAL to register firearms in NJ. I am not sure if it has/is/or will be changed to be mandatory or not, as I have heard that was the case.

[PolarBear]

Originally Posted by DevilDougWS6

And yes it is OPTIONAL to register firearms in NJ. I am not sure if it has/is/or will be changed to be mandatory or not, as I have heard that was the case.

While your input is appreciated and I am not inclined to not believe you I would like to know if this is fact or not. I do not want speculation in this case

[Dark_Knight7096]

Originally Posted by DevilDougWS6

That was one thing I have been trying to find out as well, whether or not I could use my leftover 30 round mags AS LONG AS I alter the internals to make them hold only 10 rounds.

And yes it is OPTIONAL to register firearms in NJ. I am not sure if it has/is/or will be changed to be mandatory or not, as I have heard that was the case.

Originally Posted by me

Magazine rules, cannot own a magazine with over a 15rd capacity, you can own one with a greater than 15rd capacity so long as it is permanently altered to not accept more than 15 rounds, for instance I have some P-Mag P20s that are permanently blocked to 15 rounds so they are ok.

temporary blocks are no good, has to be permanent (or at least labor intensive to remove, block of wood shoved in bottom of mag is no good.) And you want to have the modification done outside of the state before you bring them here, otherwise you are violating state firearm law and, if you get caught before modding them, face serious jail time.

and your second statement, yes AND no. Long arms do not need to be registered as you do not need to record every shotgun/rifle you buy, so you can buy them out of state and don't have to report them to anyone, HOWEVER all purchased handguns must be registered as you must have a permit to purchase a handgun for each one you buy. If you buy out of state that dealer/person has to ship it to a FFL dealer in NJ to do the transfer paperwork for you, you cannot legally buy a handgun outside of NJ and bring it back. The only time a handgun does not have to be registered in the state of NJ is when you are left it. Say a relative dies and they leave you their handguns, you don't need to get permits for them and you don't need to register them if you don't want to. Provided you can legally own a firearm if subjected to the same checks you would be if your were filing for a FID card and a Permit to Purchase you can keep them. If you would fail the checks and would not be eligible for them if going for them you could legally keep the firearms for a period of 90 or 180 days (can't remember which) to prepare to sell them.


Oh, and there are a few guns where "clip" and "magazine" are the same. M1 Garand comes to mind.

Typically the "clip" is the thing designed to hold the rounds and feed them into the device that holds them in the firearm and feeds them to fire. The "magazine" is the thing designed to hold the ammo inside the gun and to feed them into the chamber.

If you want to get SUPER technical it almost can be considered proper to call a "mag" a "clip" provided it is not in the gun and is just holding the rounds though that would be a pretty big stretch.

[PolarBear]

Originally Posted by Dark_Knight7096

you cannot legally buy a handgun outside of NJ and bring it back.

Does anyone have a place online for regs and rules for firearm ownership/purchase for NJ there is no way the above statement is true. I can imagine that is the firearm does not conform to the local laws you can legally bring it back but I know you can bring firearms across the state border.

[Dark_Knight7096]

All of the above info is explained in the NJ firearms statute I posted earlier in the thread also.

[Dark_Knight7096]

Originally Posted by PolarBear

Does anyone have a place online for regs and rules for firearm ownership/purchase for NJ there is no way the above statement is true. I can imagine that is the firearm does not conform to the local laws you can legally bring it back but I know you can bring firearms across the state border.

You can bring firearms across state borders, you can't buy one in another state without registering it and bring it back though. I'm not 100% sure of the legality of out of state dealers filing NJ state paperwork, but I will say I have yet to meet one single dealer willing to do it. Went to a gunshow in allentown pa, some guys there with NJ permits already filled out trying to buy handguns and the dealers were taking payment getting addresses to ship the guns to that persons local dealer. On gunbroker and other firearms auction sites everyone is "Local pickup FTF transfer, out of state will ship to your FFL for pickup". I'm pretty sure if a handgun is sold across state lines it must go through FFL.

It may not be illegal but I have yet to see one single transaction that has occurred that way.

[PolarBear]

Originally Posted by Dark_Knight7096

All of the above info is explained in the NJ firearms statute I posted earlier in the thread also.

I missed that, thanks

[Dark_Knight7096]

no problem

[Dark_Knight7096]

Federal law, cannot buy handgun outside of your own state:

from the NRA page "A citizen's guide to federal firearms laws", this is just a summary not word for word:

Provided that federal law and the laws of both the dealer`s and purchaser`s states and localities are complied with:

* An individual 21 years of age or older may acquire a handgun from a dealer federally licensed to sell firearms in the individual`s state of residence

[PolarBear]

Originally Posted by Dark_Knight7096

* An individual 21 years of age or older may acquire a handgun from a dealer federally licensed to sell firearms in the individual`s state of residence

Ok this I can see. At a quick read through the code in the pdf you provided it mentions nothing about a handgun across a state line where the owner legally purchased the firearm and moved to another state

[Dark_Knight7096]

Mag limit laws

Handguns, rifles, NON-SEMI-AUTO shotguns - 15 rounds
Semi-auto shotguns - 6 rounds

[Dark_Knight7096]

Originally Posted by PolarBear

Ok this I can see. At a quick read through the code in the pdf you provided it mentions nothing about a handgun across a state line where the owner legally purchased the firearm and moved to another state

Yea, reread it and realized it didn't, that's because I posted NJ firearms law, the law stating no interstate sales of handguns w/o going through FFL in homestate is federal law, wouldn't be reiterated in state law.

[PolarBear]

Originally Posted by Dark_Knight7096

Yea, reread it and realized it didn't, that's because I posted NJ firearms law, the law stating no interstate sales of handguns w/o going through FFL in homestate is federal law, wouldn't be reiterated in state law.

So what does that mean to someone in my situation?

[Dark_Knight7096]

what's your situation?