Buckle up

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by LTs1ow

Point being?


Dumb people have less brain mass to lose... I see no problem with this...

Again... you pay to clean it up.

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

Again... you pay to clean it up.

And insure it.

[Firebird92]

well i could see a seatbelts for old cars like my grandfathers 1966 firebird if you go without a seatbelt in that thing your eating dash and some steering wheel leather, i would hope to fly out the window instead, lol but for really seat belt is the only thing keeping you alive in an accident if you don't have an airbag

but for these new cars with like 20 airbags and curtain side airbags auto braking a seat belt is just why brother to me,

[Knipps]

because if you're not in the right position (where the seatbelt holds you) the airbags are just going to beat the **** out of you; not to mention auto braking doesn't work when you get T boned

[sweetbmxrider]

i feel naked without my seat belt on. i like how newer cars yell at you when your passenger doesn't wear one.

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by Firebird92

well i could see a seatbelts for old cars like my grandfathers 1966 firebird if you go without a seatbelt in that thing your eating dash and some steering wheel leather, i would hope to fly out the window instead, lol but for really seat belt is the only thing keeping you alive in an accident if you don't have an airbag

but for these new cars with like 20 airbags and curtain side airbags auto braking a seat belt is just why brother to me,

Got a pic of that '66 Firebird?

It's all about physics. Somebody figured out back in the 50s or 60s that if the CAR absorbs most of the energy in an accident then the person will not, leading to a much higher survival rate and much lower injury rate.

You need to move slightly in an accident, which is why seat belts are made of webbing (and aren't really supposed to be re-used if they stretch too much after an accident). But you aren't supposed to move that far at all. Also, a modern car itself destroys itself to protect its passengers which is a big safety feature. People blab on and on about how their older car can take a minor hit much better than a new one (which is true most of the time) but in a more serious accident you can walk away from a hit in a modern car that would leave you in the ICU if you were in an older car.

[PolarBear]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

And my car insurance costs would go even higher.

Actually Insurance prices have been going down and I doubt HIGHLY that is has ANYTHING to do with seatbelt laws. With the influx of new auto insurance carriers the market is forced to have competative rates, which is forcing existing carriers to lower price and reduce profits. Until recently an auto insurance carrier would try every which way to bone you on your premium. After I switched to the carrier I have now my rates actually became reasonable dont tell me seatbelts have anything to do with that.

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

Ok, here goes.
I want to force people to buckle up so I don't have to pay more taxes to clean up other people's messes.

Then you should also feel that motorcycles should be illegal, IMO Motorcycles are WAAAY more dangerous than not wearing a seatbelt.

Originally Posted by 1QWIKBIRD

Here's my hang-up with the whole seatbelt issue. If you are going to legislate public saftey, that' fine. But lets not pull punches and lets call it what it is, a money maker and tool that can be used to open doors, trunks etc.. If they (big brother) were truly out for public saftey, then every person on a motorcycle should be required by law (and able to be cited and fined on the spot) to be in full leathers, boots over the ankle, full face helmet, leather gloves and a dayglow vest at all times, no matter how hot or cold or wet or whatever....

Until the playing field is level, I see it as a money making tool, not them looking out for little old me. Don't feed me that line of BS.

Belts save lives, no doubt. But big brother could give 2 poops about me as an individual.

You could not have said this any better. I agree with all you have said here. I have been in at least 5 accidents in a car and not one of them involved the seatbelt protecting me.
IMO people are complete morons and can not control the vehicle. Most of my accidents have been low speed ~35 mph or less and I did not even come close to needing the seatbelt. People ARE morons and do not know what to do in the even that the vehicle has a problem at high speed. I had not one but two tire blowouts on in on of my other cars, I easily and safetly come to a stop on the highway with no problem. Most peoples knee jerk reaction is to slam on the brakes and this causes issues.

Call me what you will (and I know you feel free about that already Scott ) but I only wear my seatbelt because I dont want points and tickets. And if we are on the subject about the taxpayers shelling out money for stupid people, we should not allow people to willingly and knowingly put poison into their body, outlaw smoking. It smells, contributes to pollution in more ways than one and it causes cancer, people know it and they do it anyway. I fail to see how this is ANY different than a voluntary seatbelt law.

[ryanfx]

Originally Posted by Firebird92

well i could see a seatbelts for old cars like my grandfathers 1966 firebird if you go without a seatbelt in that thing your eating dash and some steering wheel leather, i would hope to fly out the window instead, lol but for really seat belt is the only thing keeping you alive in an accident if you don't have an airbag

but for these new cars with like 20 airbags and curtain side airbags auto braking a seat belt is just why brother to me,

Originally Posted by PolarBear

Actually Insurance prices have been going down and I doubt HIGHLY that is has ANYTHING to do with seatbelt laws. With the influx of new auto insurance carriers the market is forced to have competative rates, which is forcing existing carriers to lower price and reduce profits. Until recently an auto insurance carrier would try every which way to bone you on your premium. After I switched to the carrier I have now my rates actually became reasonable dont tell me seatbelts have anything to do with that.



Then you should also feel that motorcycles should be illegal, IMO Motorcycles are WAAAY more dangerous than not wearing a seatbelt.



You could not have said this any better. I agree with all you have said here. I have been in at least 5 accidents in a car and not one of them involved the seatbelt protecting me.
IMO people are complete morons and can not control the vehicle. Most of my accidents have been low speed ~35 mph or less and I did not even come close to needing the seatbelt. People ARE morons and do not know what to do in the even that the vehicle has a problem at high speed. I had not one but two tire blowouts on in on of my other cars, I easily and safetly come to a stop on the highway with no problem. Most peoples knee jerk reaction is to slam on the brakes and this causes issues.

Call me what you will (and I know you feel free about that already Scott ) but I only wear my seatbelt because I dont want points and tickets. And if we are on the subject about the taxpayers shelling out money for stupid people, we should not allow people to willingly and knowingly put poison into their body, outlaw smoking. It smells, contributes to pollution in more ways than one and it causes cancer, people know it and they do it anyway. I fail to see how this is ANY different than a voluntary seatbelt law.

Ok, now to both of you: Whats happens when you're going 70mph, and weigh 160 pounds and crash? The answer is 2278.4 kilogram-meter/second^2. How do you think an airbag, the windshield, or your face, would feel about getting hit with over 5,000 pounds of force? If your answer is "fine" by all means, don't wear your seatbelt for safety.

[sweetbmxrider]

scraping bodies off of pavement costs lots of money mmmkay

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by PolarBear

Actually Insurance prices have been going down and I doubt HIGHLY that is has ANYTHING to do with seatbelt laws.
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Call me what you will (and I know you feel free about that already Scott ) but I only wear my seatbelt because I dont want points and tickets. ....

If payout costs are reduced then rates can go down. It's more complicated than that, but that is it in a nutshell. I mean we can get into loss triangles, actuarial studies, ROI projections, and so forth. Similar to a company giving you a discount on comp for keeping it in a garage – garaging reduces potential comp losses, less chance of loss less premium intake is required. I’m not saying much or it is the best way to reduce, but every little bit helps. And smoking is on the way out too - and many HC insurance companies are already charging smokers more $$ than non-smokers. There just is no way to efficiently do that with cars.

And you need to wear a belt. Those 25 mph crashes seem to be caused by the nut behind the wheel.

All I know is based on the multiple ‘I only wear it so I don’t get hassled/ticketed’ replies, if the intent of the law is to increase belt usage, mission accomplished.

[PolarBear]

Originally Posted by ryanfx

If your answer is "fine" by all means, don't wear your seatbelt for safety.

IMO I dont have a whole to to live for and I DONT give a ****

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

If payout costs are reduced then rates can go down.

And you need to wear a belt. Those 25 mph crashes seem to be caused by the nut behind the wheel.

All I know is based on the multiple ‘I only wear it so I don’t get hassled/ticketed’ replies, if the intent of the law is to increase belt usage, mission accomplished.

The key word is CAN, the insurance companies dont care to save the consumer money (with the exception of the non-profits) they want to make as much coin off EVERY individual as possible. Like I said until I switched to my current company I was getting screwed, this was after the "bloom" of the new comanies and all the stupid commercials talking about saving people money. If the market wasnt so competative right now do you think my old company would have reduced my premium?

So what about the nut behind the wheel?

Also I dont usually wear my seat belt in the Solstice, there is little chance of an officer seeing into the car, and I have gotten good at putting my belt on with my right hand in the rare instances where I do get pulled over.

[ryanfx]

Originally Posted by PolarBear

IMO I dont have a whole to to live for and I DONT give a ****

Also I dont usually wear my seat belt in the Solstice, there is little chance of an officer seeing into the car, and I have gotten good at putting my belt on with my right hand in the rare instances where I do get pulled over.

What point are you trying to make? You don't care about your life? You're too cool to wear your seat belt? You'd sooner be eating food through a straw than be inconvenienced to take an extra 5 seconds, round trip, out of any car ride?

the words to describe this are beyond me. I give up.

[PolarBear]

Originally Posted by ryanfx

What point are you trying to make? You don't care about your life? You're too cool to wear your seat belt? You'd sooner be eating food through a straw than be inconvenienced to take an extra 5 seconds, round trip, out of any car ride?

the words to describe this are beyond me. I give up.

What is your opinion on Helmet laws? The Government DOES NOT GIVE A CRAP ABOUT YOU! Hence the OPTIONAL helmet laws in some states, what is the difference if I wear my seatbelt or not? If helmet laws are optional, seatbelt laws should also. You cant tell me that someone on the highway going 65 without a helmet is less likely to die than someone IN A CAR without a seatbelt.

I dont like to wear my seat belt, I think it is annoying and I would rather not have it in the car. In the Solstice it constantly gets stuck in the door, if I never wore the damn thing I could keep it tucked behind the seat. It is always locking up when I dont want it to and causes me issues when I wear it, it is difficult enough too see in that car and when I am trying to look over my left left shoulder I have to fight the seatbelt. Honestly if I get into an accident in the Solstice that is SO BAD that the seatbelt is going to save my life I am probably going to get HORRIBLY injured anyway so what is the difference?

[sweetbmxrider]

you not caring doesn't change the fact that it costs taxpayers money when you die. call the tickets a "premium" for what could happen from your ignorance and selfishness.

helmets are mandatory in jersey.....

[LTb1ow]

friggen kids these days... geez.

[PolarBear]

Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider

you not caring doesn't change the fact that it costs taxpayers money when you die. call the tickets a "premium" for what could happen from your ignorance and selfishness.

helmets are mandatory in jersey.....

How does it cost taxpayers money? I have health insurance. In reality illegal aliens are probably more of a problem in the rising rates of heathcare than accidents without seatbelts. There are probably 100 things that are raising the rates for taxpayers than the few people who choose not to wear seatbelts and get injured.

Yes helmets are manditory but seatbelts are OPTIONAL in some states so WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE WHAT STATE YOU ARE IN? Two people died in NJ on 295 not far from where Scott and I live, as far as I know both those motorcycle riders had helmets on and they are still dead. If the government cared about people and rising insurance costs they would outlaw motorcycles too.

[ryanfx]

Originally Posted by PolarBear

What is your opinion on Helmet laws? The Government DOES NOT GIVE A CRAP ABOUT YOU! Hence the OPTIONAL helmet laws in some states, what is the difference if I wear my seatbelt or not? If helmet laws are optional, seatbelt laws should also. You cant tell me that someone on the highway going 65 without a helmet is less likely to die than someone IN A CAR without a seatbelt.

I dont like to wear my seat belt, I think it is annoying and I would rather not have it in the car. In the Solstice it constantly gets stuck in the door, if I never wore the damn thing I could keep it tucked behind the seat. Honestly if I get into an accident in the Solstice that is SO BAD that the seatbelt is going to save my life I am probably going to get HORRIBLY injured anyway so what is the difference?

Helmets are not optional in jersey, they will stop you just as fast, if not faster than no seat belt. Second of all, I don't care if they don't care about ME. They are protecting US by these laws. I don't want your body parts about OUR roads, spending OUR tax dollars because you can't be bothered to drive with a seat belt.

You don't care about yourself? Fine. Then wear it for your family and friends. How would you feel watching a close family member (mom / dad / wife / sibling) of yours live off life support for the remainder of their life while getting paid to do so on my dime because you will most certainly not be able to afford that. Not wearing your seat belt is selfish, ignorant, and most of all stupid.

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[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by ryanfx

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indeed. at least a timeout.