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project89 · 07-30-2006, 10:46 AM

ok.but if u think about it dry ice packed around an intercooler is still one form of intecooling.spraying co2 on an intercooler is still an air to air intercooler.or would i have to use a intercooler specifivally designed to house dry ice around it

just trying to figure out the rules pretty good,since im gonna be spending a good deal of money on building a setup for this

project89 · 07-30-2006, 03:24 PM

oh and whats will become of the back seats once a roll bar is installed,i have the system back there now,but that may be ditched anyway,i could put the back seats back in but wouldnt be able to have the seat backs installed as the rear bars of the cage will have to go right threw the backs of the seats

NJSPEEDER · 07-30-2006, 07:28 PM

the "full interior" rules will require two front seats, not back seats.

the rules in hot street allow for a single intercooler. the intercooler you have is air to air, that is it. anything else packed onto it would be a second cooling device and bump the car into extreme street.

project89 · 07-30-2006, 08:18 PM

thnx that's what i needed to know.so nothing against me running an intercooler specifically designed to work with dry ice then(as oposed to packing dry ice around my air to air intercooler)?as long as no other form of intercooling is used.

NJSPEEDER · 07-30-2006, 09:06 PM

are you talking about dry ice in addition to an air to air, or a water box system filled with dry ice?
an air to air with dry ice or anything else added to it would be illegal in hot street, a water box/aftercooler system filled with dry ice woudl be legal.

project89 · 07-30-2006, 09:20 PM

no think of an water to air intercooler,its basically the same thing except no water is used.the ic core is in a shell that is packed with ice or dry ice.no air or water passes threw the intecooler.this type isnt widley used on street/strip cars cause it pretty much leaves u without an ic for the street unless ur using meth/water injection as well.

Savage_Messiah · 07-31-2006, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lethalrides2k3

the 4thgen v6 guys arent doing much better with the engines pushed to the max.

It was said before but I feel the need to reiterate that this is a very false statement

NJSPEEDER · 07-31-2006, 03:28 PM

lethal, that sounds cool. you coudl run hot street with that. good luck with the combo.

project89 · 07-31-2006, 05:46 PM

i dont get that,ythats legal but an dry ice packed air to air isnt?ITS the Same dam thing lmao.

NJSPEEDER · 07-31-2006, 10:30 PM

if it is a closed box with dry ice in it is one cooling device, an air to air + dry ice is two cooling devices.

project89 · 07-31-2006, 10:34 PM

ahh ok my bad i see now.lol i didnt explain my plans righ tthe first time.my plans were to enclose ym air to air intercooler and use the dry ice,so i didnt have to buy a whole new intercooler.

were not gonna be looking at any size restrictions on turbo/supercharger sizes are we?

how about sfi bellhousings/balancers and stuff liek that?

NJSPEEDER · 07-31-2006, 10:38 PM

no restrictions on blower/turbo sizing yet(rules are still being worked on).
all of the SFI stuff will be whatever the NHRA calls for. we are gonna use their rule book as the basis for all of our safety restrictions.

project89 · 07-31-2006, 11:18 PM

alright so im in for an sfi balancer if they make one for the v6 motor,i dont have my rule book laying around its at work,could ya tell me what the rule for when a scatter shield on an auto is required i cant think of it off the top of my head

well soon as u know whats going on with turbo/blower sizes plz post it up,im looking ta buying something as large as a t-76,but ill hold off,dont want to waste money on a turbo i cant use,not to mention it will be 10-12 weeks before i get the crankshaft from crower anyway.

NJSPEEDER · 08-03-2006, 06:56 PM

since the debate about weight breaks in pure street based on displacement keeps coming up i would like to get your feedback on an idea someone passed along.
do you think Pure Street should be a small block only class? what would be a good displacement limit for the class if it is limited? 385? 406?
i think this could be the equalizer that we are all looking for to create fair competition in the field.

BMF · 08-06-2006, 07:11 PM

I wouldnt limit the SBC CID, just limit it to 23 degree heads.

As my PM mentioned i'm interested if a N/A slick tire class appears.

Perferably CI/Weight.

I dont mind putting weight in my car to have a Weight/CI class. My car is pretty much setup so that i can add an Easy 100lbs if needed.

How are you planning on enforcing the rules? Will you guys have the equipment needed to pump the motor for CI.

I can bring a few friends with cars also.

Brian

NJSPEEDER · 08-06-2006, 07:14 PM

we are looking into accurate ways to pump the motors for CID.

BMF · 08-06-2006, 08:47 PM

Any thoughts on the rest of this stuff. As mentioned, i'd definetly support the event if i can fit into a class, but right now i'm classified out of the race.

I'm building the car as a stock eliminator legal car(right now it is with exception to the engine).

vegaken · 08-09-2006, 06:44 PM

Guys the biggest thing to remember about rules is don't limit yourself to the cars you know about. A lot of guys will try to persuade the rules to make themselves have an advantage. Try to find some classes that out there that are getting good car counts and try to mirror those rules. Maybe send a message to some of the series that are out there to talk to the guys making the rules and try to get some of their input. One of the brightest people you could talk to is Bob Kasper from E-town right now he does tech for their Quick 8 and helps with the NSCA doing tech for them. He is the most fair and honest tech guy you will find.
He might be able to help out with some of the weight break issues such as N/A versus nitrous and blowers or turbos. I just want to see a good even matched set of rules for everyone. People just have to remember that during different seasons different cars will have the advantage. N/A cars are always depending on the weather where as power adder cars bring their own. I just hope this thing gets rolling so I have a local place to run next year.
Ken

NJSPEEDER · 08-09-2006, 09:29 PM

one thing we are trying to keep aware of is the total atmosphere of racing in each classs. we don't want to see any class killers come out and limit the number of cars attending halfway through the season.
after teh east coast nats(august 20th) we plan to work on the long versions of the rules. these should be up for debate by mid september at the latest.
we are lucky enough to have input from members who are willing to help develop fair packages for classes that their cars don'teven qualify for. hopefully this will lead to a fair and broad appeal in our classes.

vegaken · 08-10-2006, 05:50 PM

Tim that is all you can hope for is to have some people who are honest and fair when making up some rules. Without that no one would show up. I hope you don't mind me adding my opinion every now and then.
As far my car is concerned it is just a 23 degree small block N/A, with stock suspension from BMR and a 275 drag radial in a 1986 Camaro. It is pretty much a bolt together car that should weigh around 3000lbs with me in it so I am not sure on how it would fit in some of the classes. I should hopefully be testing the car out in mid September to see how it goes. Just a little background about the car that way you can pick out my own biases towards the rules when I post about them.
Ken

NJSPEEDER · 08-11-2006, 05:02 PM

i appreciate everyone's opinions. the more of the honest racers speak up now, the better the rules will turn out.
it is a tough balancing act for the engines and weights. thirdgen guy enjoy cars that were commonly in the 3200lbs range from teh factory, where as fourth gens can easily be up in the 3700lbs neighborhood. and don't even get me started on gen1 SBC compared to the LSx motors, the 150lbs that the all aluminum motor saves alone is worth a few tenths.
the rules are no where near finalized yet. that is at least a month away. so keep checking back and making suggestions.

BMF · 08-11-2006, 07:27 PM

First gens that retain all their street equipment and interiors will range from 3200-3600lbs typically.

NJSPEEDER · 08-14-2006, 01:51 PM

do you guys think setting the pure street weight minimum at 3450 would be fair? from the factory curb weights i can find that seems to be just about the average for all gens combined.

BMF · 08-16-2006, 09:38 PM

i think it should be weight per CID. A mild big block would dominate the class at 3450lbs, while thats alot for a small block to lug around.

NJSPEEDER · 08-19-2006, 01:22 PM

for pure street we are looking at a single CID limit and a small block based field. that is why we are looking at a single weight minimum in that class.
one thing we are still working on is finding a good way to check CID without too much trouble/time.