Was this cop a jerk?

[Frosty]

Well then that's the cost of the cop writing you for a legitimate violation then. It sucks, I've driven around with blown bulbs and didn't know it...but **** happens. Your idea is an idea that would be OK in a perfect world but the car owner is still responsible for making sure their vehicle is operating in a safe manner and they're still responsible for operating said vehicle under NJ state law.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

Which homeless people, the crack heads that pan handle, or the ones that bit off more then they could chew years back when they bought a house a fancy car, and thought they didn't have a care in the world, cause realistically, **** em both, not my problem you pissed your money away.

do you personally know either kind? and as for it not being your problem they pissed their money away, its also NOT THE COPS PROBLEM YOU CANT MAINTAIN A CAR

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Well then that's the cost of the cop writing you for a legitimate violation then. It sucks, I've driven around with blown bulbs and didn't know it...but **** happens. Your idea is an idea that would be OK in a perfect world but the car owner is still responsible for making sure their vehicle is operating in a safe manner and they're still responsible for operating said vehicle under NJ state law.

Sure, but if thats the cause, if it's your fault, it's under violation regardless, you should recieve a ticket no matter what, is that what your saying? so it's 3a.m. and their bulb goes out, well its ticket time because it was their fault they left home earlier without individually testing their bulbs, stupid them

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by cbrrmike

do you personally know either kind? and as for it not being your problem they pissed their money away, its also NOT THE COPS PROBLEM YOU CANT MAINTAIN A CAR

Actually, it's odd cause yes, we had a homeless guy that used to live near my old job, i think he past away not too long ago, and as for a money pisser, yes, they aren't homeless now, they lost the house, and move in with their parents.


I understand it's not the cops problem, but if you don't knwo theres a problem,how can you fix it, and also if you do, but it's at a point and time when you can't do anythign about it, what can you do? your in east bumble ****, don't know the area, there isnt a form of civilization, or you don't have the ability to get teh available resources to make the repair, what can you do? you could either get a tow truck to take your car back that only has 1 light out, or it would be nice if an officer assisted you with helping of the problem by giving you a light, givign you a warning, and lettign you know of a safe place ( if not already in a parkign lot) to replace it, that's all, they don't needto come whipping out a jack, give you a 21 point inspection, and buff out that hair line scratch on your right rear fender, just a courtousey that's optional to the officer, like I said he doesn't have to give you a light if he doesn't want to.

[91chevywt]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

if it's your fault, it's under violation regardless, you should recieve a ticket no matter what, is that what your saying? so it's 3a.m. and their bulb goes out, well its ticket time because it was their fault they left home earlier without individually testing their bulbs, stupid them

That's how it works. Driving in the state of NJ is a privelage not a right. Driving with a burnt out headlight is a safety issue in more ways than one. Not just for the driver but for the other cars around. The only way to enforce it is with some type of penalty.

Cops have a very difficult job to do, and until you know what its like to be in their shoes it's easy to criticize them. 90% of police work is minor things like pulling over people that have headlights out. The other 10% is the stuff that messes with their mind and is the reason why cops have a job and recieve special training. Having someone you know die on your watch is pretty powerful.

To be bothered with something like changing headlights..or maintaining others' vehicles is rediculous. While that cop is figuring out what light bulb fits your car some little girl could be getting abducted.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

Sure, but if thats the cause, if it's your fault, it's under violation regardless, you should recieve a ticket no matter what, is that what your saying? so it's 3a.m. and their bulb goes out, well its ticket time because it was their fault they left home earlier without individually testing their bulbs, stupid them

I'm not saying you SHOULD receive a ticket, that's not my call. That's up to the officer that pulls you over. The fact is driving with a bad light is a violation regardless if it happened 2 minutes ago or 2 weeks ago. Again, it's up to the cop. If he wants to be a dick and write you a ticket at 3AM then he can..it sucks but that's the way it is. So you want to companies to donate bulbs for that rare occasion? Right....

It's called manning up and dealing with the consequences. Again, it's ALWAYS someone elses fault or problem. You can't predict every scenario or situation...

BTW, ignorance isn't an excuse. Saying you didn't know the bulb is out is usually an honest answer...it doesn't magically make the law go away. Most cops cut breaks, most cops believe people when they say they didn't know or that it just happened....so this entire thread and argument is being made over a VERY SMALL percentage of douche bag cops.

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by 91chevywt

To be bothered with something like changing headlights..or maintaining others' vehicles is rediculous. While that cop is figuring out what light bulb fits your car some little girl could be getting abducted.

What is there only one cop in the town?

Originally Posted by Frosty

I'm not saying you SHOULD receive a ticket, that's not my call. That's up to the officer that pulls you over. The fact is driving with a bad light is a violation regardless if it happened 2 minutes ago or 2 weeks ago. Again, it's up to the cop. If he wants to be a dick and write you a ticket at 3AM then he can..it sucks but that's the way it is. So you want to companies to donate bulbs for that rare occasion? Right....

It's called manning up and dealing with the consequences. Again, it's ALWAYS someone elses fault or problem. You can't predict every scenario or situation...

yup, they should carry those along side those stuffed animals they give to the little kids when theres something going on at the house and they have to arrest momm or daddy right in front of them, yup just as rare.....

instead of keepign your head inside that box, how about taking it out and realize this is not a scenerio of blaming someone else, nobody's to blame, it's a scenerio of trying to help resolve the scenerio. god for -****ing -bid someone helps someone else and they don't consider it pointing the fingers at others. nobody was or is pointing the finger, and when the hell did that even come up in any of my posts, I love how you make **** up as you go along. IT'S A ****ING JESTURE OF COURTESY FROM THE ****ING OFFICER, HE'S NOT FORCED TO GIVE YOU A HEADLIGHT/TAILLIGHT IF HE DOESNT WANT TO. MAYBE IF I POST IN CAPS YOU CAN READ AND UNDERSTAND MY POSTS. IT'S AN IDEA, A THOUGHT, A USE OF A PERSONS MIND TO MAYBE FIND A WAY TO SOLVE SMALL PROBLEMS THAT MAKE UP THIS WORLD.WHY MUST YOU SHOOT IT DOWN LIKE IT'S PASSING THROUGH CONGRESS.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

What is there only one cop in the town?

on the night shift in some small towns yes, which is when they would notice any headlight problems anyway

[V]

let me just add this... for work here, whenever we take out a truck, we have to do a PMCS, preventative maintenance checks and services. That includes checking to insure that ALL exterior lighting works, wipers work, directionals, tires are properly inflated, bolts are tight, belts are good, no leaks, proper fuel level, etc etc etc. Thats just every time we drive it, Theres also an add on list of stuff to check while and after we are done driving it. On top of that all, there are weekly monthly checks too that must be performed, not by the mechanics but by us, the operators.

Even when we put in for leave or a pass, our supervisor must give our personal vehicle a walk around according to a list, checking lights, windows, valid paperwork and such.

What im trying to get at is that, yes, a light bulb can and will burn out, but a lot can be prevented if a person would take the time to just walk around their vehicle once before they drive it somewhere. Check the lights, its not hard. While they are at it, just look at the car, see whats going on, lol. Its unbelieveable how many unsafe cars i see on the road with bald/bubbled tires, loose body panels, and dragging/hanging parts including rotted exhausts. All those IMO are a greater danger than 1(of 2) headlight bulbs burnt out....

as for the argument that... its 3 am, i had to get somewhere, the bulb isnt available blah blah blah... ill tell you right now... cops dont care "why". Shocker huh? accept it. IF you knew it was out which most people will, its not rocket since to realize, when the cop comes up to you, dont play dumb. Admit you knew and say you plan on getting it fixed. Thats all, If the cops wants to give you a ticket thats his discretion, if you try to say well i was just heading home, no stores were open etc, your just setting yourself up for failure. Now if you didnt know a bulb was out, say like a brake light, you can tell the cop you didnt know, then if given the chance, apologize and say youll get if fixed right away. Cops do know a brake light or such is hard to know about so most often they'll give you a break. but once again, its all up to discretion, which greatly depends on your attitude towards the cop, be it rolling your eyes, sighing, looking away etc. How you talk to a cop and behave, is even more powerful than any PBA card....

[Frosty]

lol at typing in caps. I understand your thought. I've understood your thought since you posted it the first time. I have a right to disagree with it just like you have the right to disagree with my rebuttal. It boils down to not being anyone's problem but your own. It boils down to making sure your car is up to standard and is working properly. If YOU can't understand that I don't know what to tell you. It'd be nice if someone had the courtesy of paying my cable bill, it'd be nice if someone had the courtesy to pay for the Amsoil for the GTA...but the fact is it's my responsibility.

Again, you're coming up with a solution to a relatively minor and minute problem. In a way you ARE deflecting responsibility for the upkeep of your vehicle. I'm not making anything up as I go alone. You said it was ******** she got a ticket. So your beef is with the cop, not with the fact the bulb went out. You said and I quote "be nice if there was a campaign from the police force if they carried around headlights, and would give a person a warning, and a headlight". A campaign for police offers to handle issues that's the responsibility of the vehicle owner? So yes, in essence your idea IS to defect responsibility because of ONE person's peril and **** situation. The cop was a dick but was also in the right. It's really not hard to understand. Cops already give people warnings at their discretion....maybe the lady that came into your store was a bitch, maybe she mouthed off to the officer and gave him a hard time. You don't know, no one does but those that were involved. She very well could have talked herself INTO a ticket. So what if the officer gives someone a headlamp and the owner installs it wrong and it blows a day later...said officer sees the car again and now writes a ticket for the busted bulb and now starts looking for other stuff wrong...just saying.

There's a difference between courtesy and EXPECTING or feeling ENTITLED that someone else help you out. The courtesy on the cop's part is giving you a warning.

BTW, I've had ideas and statements on here blasted up, down, left, right and everywhere in between. It's a public forum, it's not the end of the world.

[Blacdout96]

I just can't believe the amount of poo flung at me for suggesting this, as though I'm in the middle of developing a bill for this, it's a simple concept or thought, and instantly I'm flamed, seriously, what the **** is wrong with all of you, that you must ridicule anyone's thought outside of the relm of normalism, really? I'll just say this, you might not be affected by what I say, you're most likely laughing it off, but hopefully one day a loved one, or some one you care about confront's you and open your eye's and makes you realized how much of a pain in the dick you really can be, I can honestly say I don't have to meet you to realize sometimes yuo've dissapointed your parents or loved ones from your outlandish reactions to one's suggestion of something stupid and simple.

I'm not saying Jeff is the only person who I am not saying this to cause he understands it, but I will say Both Jeff and Wild Bill, Paul, etc. approached this conversation the right way, with respect, learn it sometime.

[V]

i never said anything to try to get under your skin or say it was a bad idea.

i just stated facts about such a situation where a cop would pull someone over for a light being out


edit, nevermind... lol i reread your last post lol

[Frosty]

Yeah because your opinion of me matters. I know I'm a dick, don't care. I have plenty of loved ones, I have plenty of friends...I speak my mind. If you or anyone else doesn't like it they can easily hit the ignore button or just skip right past my posts. I'm actually easy to get along with, I just like to debate. I'm actually pretty laid back and the class clown...but you know what they say about ASSumptions.

I never called you any names, never insulted your intelligence...just added my opinion with some heavy sarcasm. If that rubs you the wrong way then so be it. If you give respect to some others because they agree with you then so be it. Matters not to me.

The second someone disagreed with you that you got a bit defensive...so the attitude issue goes both ways.

[Blacdout96]

lol, t's ok paul, I didn't write your name in caps

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

lol, t's ok paul, I didn't write your name in caps

Does that make me special since you typed in caps to me? j/k

[Blacdout96]

It's not just you frosty, a good majority of people on this website are, I just don't understand why everyone has to come off as a dick for everything they have to post here. I'm a dick once in a while, but when it comes to them on here always coming off as one, it's a different story, go somewhere else cause really even though people seem to take it here, your not really welcomed, go be a dick on a Corvette or BMW site. I don't go to meets anymore becuase they used to be fun, and the peopel there were cool, but now they're filled with ********, why am I goign to hang out with peopel who think their **** doesn't stink, when really they need a size 13 reality check shoved up their ass. **** it .

(no "you" or "your" typed in this post is intended for anyone specifically on here ,just saying as a whole to the person reading this, lol, so not you personally frosty lol.)

[Frosty]

F U....man up and say you mean me bitch. (kidding)

[Blacdout96]

I'll mean it when I caps it.

[NastyEllEssWon]

its 3 a.m and you notice you have a headlight out...instead of waiting 3 hours for daylight to where it wont matter, you drive anyway and chance it.



key word? chance it. its illegal to do so. you knowingly broke the law. has there ever been a time when it mightve blown while you were driving or whatever have you. thats when its up to the cop to use his discretion to give the ticket. even if he decides to still give you the ticket he is in the right and its your responsibility to take care of it.



you also know that motor vehicle stops are one of the best ways to deter even larger crimes from happening. plenty of motor vehicle stops have led to bigger offenses/crimes being uncovered. so you never know. maybe the cop pulled him over to make sure he didnt just ram into two cars down the road and is fleeing with a broken front end (headlight out ).



or maybe....just maybe....how about this scenario.


its night time. youre a cop. you see a car riding with a headlight out. your original intentions was to pull over this person to make sure they are aware of the situation and they get to the window and BAM...you get a young punk in a sports car with a smug look handing over a PBA card like it actually means something. now the traffic stop turns opposite. instead of the cop doing you a solid, he realizes that you are aware of the problem and are trying to skate around it with this ''get out of jail free card.'' what happened here???? was the cop the dick??? or did you just implicate yourself by trying to get out of it with a pba card.



2 sides to every coin. you wanna know what side of a coin that doesnt exist??? the side of the coin where at anytime during any of those scenarios should a police officer need to supply you or sell you a headlight to remedy the situation.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

It's not just you frosty, a good majority of people on this website are, I just don't understand why everyone has to come off as a dick for everything they have to post here. I'm a dick once in a while, but when it comes to them on here always coming off as one, it's a different story, go somewhere else cause really even though people seem to take it here, your not really welcomed, go be a dick on a Corvette or BMW site. I don't go to meets anymore becuase they used to be fun, and the peopel there were cool, but now they're filled with ********, why am I goign to hang out with peopel who think their **** doesn't stink, when really they need a size 13 reality check shoved up their ass. **** it .

(no "you" or "your" typed in this post is intended for anyone specifically on here ,just saying as a whole to the person reading this, lol, so not you personally frosty lol.)

there is a very easy solution to you not liking it here....type something else into the address bar

and no one "flung poo" at you right away, they said it was a dumb idea, YOU in turn flipped out and made it personal, and it escalated from there, if you cant handle both sides of a debate, or cry when someone doesn't like your opinion, then in the same post ridicule theirs, maybe you should stay out of debates?

[enRo]

All you have to do is be honest, and nice with the cop. All the times I've gotten pulled over (and thats quite a bit), I've been completely honest and nice and only gotten 2 minor tickets. Hell, I was pulled over 2 weeks ago for not having a front plate on, as well as having a cover over my rear plate, and ontop of that, I couldnt find my new registration and insurance tags, and after a nice conversation I had with the cop, he let me off with a warning and even told my insurance company to send me a new card. And where I got pulled over, the cops are really nasty.

I have no complaints over what cops do, because its their job. Be nice to them, and they will be nice to you. Law requires operative low/high beams, so next time, obey the law. Thats why its called a warning. Pretty straight forward of a concept if you ask me .

[91chevywt]

Since cops should be responsible for vehicle lightbulbs, i think it would be a good idea for EMTs to patrol playgrounds and supply free bandaids to kids when they get scrapes and cuts. Also, I think we should have firefighters run around to everyones house and make sure smoke detecter batteries are good.

[Knipps]

I've been reading so long I forget who posted it but to the person who pointed out there are squads in Europe dedicated to break downs etc. NJ has those too, not only with patrolling police cars but there are regular service patrols for just such occasions as well.

[HW72]

Originally Posted by enRo

and ontop of that, I couldnt find my new registration and insurance tags, and after a nice conversation I had with the cop, he let me off with a warning and even told my insurance company to send me a new card.

dude, your registration & insurance was out of date and you didn't get a ticket? one time i got pulled over for going like 11 over the limit, and it turns out my insurance was expired by 3 days. the new card was sitting on my nightstand. i told the officer my situation (and apologized for my mistake) and i swore that the car was insured and that i could prove it as soon as i got the card from my home, and i got a ticket that was somewhere between $185 and $200. i totally deserved the ticket, so i'm not complaining... but good lord man! you didn't get a ticket at all for no reg or ins? dude! that's like, sacred ground!

[BonzoHansen]

The idea is perhaps good in theory, but worthless in reality, for some of the reasons mentioned.

1: that is not a police officer's job. they are trained to do a specific series of tasks. Auto repair is not on that list.
2: the police unions would tell towns to go pound salt without big raises. Imagine those contract negotiations. oh yeah, forget about collective bargaining process and contracts?
3: the logistics of it all, as previously mentioned.
4: whenever someone's light goes they will just head to the police station for their free light. Why go buy a light and pay for install when you can get it done for free. So parts houses, installers are all out. Yea job growth!
5: the manufacturers would never give up this lucrative LOB out of the goodness of their souls. They are corporations, they have no soul. This would not buy them any consumer goodwill. What else are you going to go out of your way to buy from Sylvannia? So the idea of free lights ain't happening. You might have better luck getting an unrelated firm, lets say Microsoft, to fund it. At least that might make some sense to someone with funds, like adopting a highway but on a bigger scale. Not to me, but the road is littered with stupid ideas.
6: This state is how many billions in the red? How many? What shape are our roads & bridges? On the grand scale of things we need, this woudl be somewhere near the bottom of the list.
7. I'm good with socialized car repair. Do we start buying everyone cat converters too because it is good for the air? How about tires?

I do pay taxes, probably more this year than you have cumulatively in your lifetime. Not that it matters, but you threw that red herring out earlier. If my $$ went to buy someone a new headlight I'd be pissed. More than I am now at all the waste & handouts that already exist.



That said, FWIW, I've never received or known anyone who received a ticket for a headlight or similar nonsense unless they were pulled over for something else and got this ticket a a 'favor' or were disrespectful to the officer and earned it. Even if that something else was being a teen aged boy driving a firebird late at night.

Originally Posted by cbrrmike

there is a very easy solution to you not liking it here....type something else into the address bar

and no one "flung poo" at you right away, they said it was a dumb idea, YOU in turn flipped out and made it personal, and it escalated from there, if you cant handle both sides of a debate, or cry when someone doesn't like your opinion, then in the same post ridicule theirs, maybe you should stay out of debates?

And there it is, to a tee. Someone disagrees with you and you cry, call people names and badmouth the club. Your usual MO. That is why people are quick to jump on your **** because your act is old. As an admin I get to hear from lot of club folks and your name comes up a lot. And not in a good way. Respect is a 2 way street.

Mike is dead on. You don't like it here, if the people are mean and upset you so, stay away. Log out is up in the RH corner.