Joe Paterno is gone as head coach of PSU

[Jersey Mike]

Sandusky crucified himself today. Read in the paper today that he told NBC or some one that had showered with some kids--as a "after practice, hit the showers" type deal--but wasn't a pedophile. He's ****ed, and rightfully so.


PSU, as a whole, is going to suffer from this in so many ways.

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by Jersey Mike

Sandusky crucified himself today. Read in the paper today that he told NBC or some one that had showered with some kids--as a "after practice, hit the showers" type deal--but wasn't a pedophile. He's ****ed, and rightfully so.


PSU, as a whole, is going to suffer from this in so many ways.

Yea, no more big ass football budget for a loooonggg time.

[LS1ow]

Originally Posted by LTs1ow

Yea, no more big ass football budget for a loooonggg time.

sweet now i have a chance to go to D1 school and play.

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by LS1ow

sweet now i have a chance to go to D1 school and play.

lulz, with the cleaning house that will most likely come about, you could go coach there

[Jersey Mike]

If you live out of state, you go to PSU for 2 reasons: the football program, and the abundance of cute white girls who love football.

Fairly good campus/off-campus life, but when the football program is sucking a fatty, I doubt the morale and communal pride will still be there. I have a few friends who graduated from PSU, and a couple have already called in and asked to be removed from mailing lists, removed decals/magnets from their cars, and are extremely pissed (either at one side, or the other).

[LS1ow]

Originally Posted by Jersey Mike

If you live out of state, you go to PSU for 2 reasons: the football program, and the abundance of cute white girls who love football.

Fairly good campus/off-campus life, but when the football program is sucking a fatty, I doubt the morale and communal pride will still be there. I have a few friends who graduated from PSU, and a couple have already called in and asked to be removed from mailing lists, removed decals/magnets from their cars, and are extremely pissed (either at one side, or the other).

yes.

white girls gone wild, we dont judge em doe

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

the more I hear and read he was completely complicit in covering up child molestation to protect the program. Unforgivable.

This ^^

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by Jersey Mike

If you live out of state, you go to PSU for 2 reasons: the football program, and the abundance of cute white girls who love football.

Fairly good campus/off-campus life, but when the football program is sucking a fatty, I doubt the morale and communal pride will still be there. I have a few friends who graduated from PSU, and a couple have already called in and asked to be removed from mailing lists, removed decals/magnets from their cars, and are extremely pissed (either at one side, or the other).

The PSU alumni network in monstrous. That is a huge reason to go there. That matters if you are going to school to learn prepare to move into the professional world. Plus I don’t think you get a bad education there.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Originally Posted by Jersey Mike

Sandusky crucified himself today. Read in the paper today that he told NBC or some one that had showered with some kids--as a "after practice, hit the showers" type deal--but wasn't a pedophile. He's ****ed, and rightfully so.


PSU, as a whole, is going to suffer from this in so many ways.

Yeah, while his lawyer was on the show (who had a kid with an 18 year old when he was 49) Sandusky called in. They covered it on the Daily Show last night. He kept repeating questions too.

[Frosty]

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish...cious-eyebrows

Interesting...

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

he still didnt do anything wrong. he did what he was supposed to do. he cant just crucify someone he's known a long time after police investigation and school investigation turn up nothing. anyone can easily make the claim someone is fiddling with kids, doesnt make it true.

Jay,

Just to be clear, in the 2002 incident there was no police investigation. Just the 3 other administrators who are currently under fire for mishandling it. One of the reasons they are in trouble is because they were required to report it and they did not.

[NastyEllEssWon]

i just. i dunno man. its Paterno man. I don't condone nor excuse pedophilia but Paterno's only fault here is doing the bare minimum while giving his employee the benefit of the doubt. Think about this from Paterno's perspective. If someone came up to you today and told you that someone who knew you for years was slapping ass with kids in the showers, you would have a hard time believing it too....its that repulsive. From Paterno's perspective he was damned if he did, damned if he didnt. Rock. Meet Hard Place.

[sweetbmxrider]

Just because you know someone doesn't mean you know someone. And I'm sure there were other times things were said or suspicions were had, yet nothing came of it.

[NastyEllEssWon]

i refuse to crucify the man prior to the full story. on a side note yes he did drop the ball and let down those children, but what about all the other thousands of lives he's changed in his tenure...do we just forget about all the good he did because someone close to him screwed up royally and he's being the scapegoat?

[sweetbmxrider]

With American media, yes.

[BonzoHansen]

He knew and turned his head. Yes, that erases a lot of good things in my book. We aren't talking about knowing his players were breaking curfew rules or whatever. This is destroying the lives of young children. You absolutely have to weigh the crimes in this case.

I thought this was an interesting interview.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/audio-on...e-francesa-1/#

Matt Paknis - With Mike Francesa
November 15, 2011

Former Penn State Grad Assistant Matt Paknis talks about the culture of Penn State Football in a reveling inverview with Mike Francesa

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/?podcast...es&dcid=CBS.NY

[NastyEllEssWon]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

He knew and turned his head. Yes, that erases a lot of good things in my book. We aren't talking about knowing his players were breaking curfew rules or whatever. This is destroying the lives of young children. You absolutely have to weigh the crimes in this case.

I thought this was an interesting interview.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/audio-on...e-francesa-1/#

Matt Paknis - With Mike Francesa
November 15, 2011

Former Penn State Grad Assistant Matt Paknis talks about the culture of Penn State Football in a reveling inverview with Mike Francesa

he knew of ALLEGATIONS. innocent until proven guilty. he cant just throw someone to the wolves over allegations especially when there was a police investigation that turned up nothing.

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

he knew of ALLEGATIONS. innocent until proven guilty. he cant just throw someone to the wolves over allegations especially when there was a police investigation that turned up nothing.

Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider

With American media, yes.

This.

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by nastyellesswon

he knew of allegations. Innocent until proven guilty. He cant just throw someone to the wolves over allegations especially when there was a police investigation that turned up nothing.

Dude, for the last time- he's not in a legal proceeding.

Where is Paterno being charged in a court of law?

[LTb1ow]

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...ting-boy-1980s

[sweetbmxrider]

For some reason I just thought of the south park with the catholic priests molesting boys. And the adventure club. And nambla.

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

he knew of ALLEGATIONS. innocent until proven guilty. he cant just throw someone to the wolves over allegations especially when there was a police investigation that turned up nothing.

mcquerey told paterno the guy was molesting a 10 year old in the shower, and it seems he did not sugar coat it. And now it seems very apparent paterno knew about issues before that. the man didn't earn the nickname God for a reason. he knew about everything there. Then the whole women's sports thing he swept under the rug years ago. so he has a track record of sweeping stuff up.

time for a little business 101: here is how being upper management works. if s**t goes down on your watch, you get fired, regardless of what you knew. it's called responsibility and the buck stops at his desk. whether it was raping 10 year old boys or turning an eye to securities fraud. Board of directors have fired CEOs for less.

#2: Fired <> arrested. You are not innocent until proven guilty at work. just like he decided the program was more important than little kids, the school has now decided it is more important than him. he loses. welcome to life. Fair? matters not. I gave the old man the benefit of the doubt at the beginning. but every day it looks worse. he had to go.

My sense is if it were your kid you'd have a different opinion. but I believe you are just backing the old man here because no one else is and that is what you do with every thread like this, argue the alternative to stir the pot.

[greenformula92]

if you think its ugly now....all the details haven't come out yet. its only gonna get uglier and uglier...kind of like the rumor about Sandusky's charity pimping out boys

[NastyEllEssWon]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

I believe you are just backing the old man here because no one else is and that is what you do with every thread like this, argue the alternative to stir the pot.

Not at all. I've been a Penn State fan since I was a kid. Regardless of what happened I seriously DO NOT think that Paterno had hard evidence of anything going on. Until they prove he did, I refuse to believe he did. Paterno did a lot of good.



edit: i haven't derailed a thread here in a very long time. so your point is invalid anymore

[Frosty]

I don't think anyone is saying Paterno didn't do a lot of good. He built that program, put that school on the map, donated millions of dollars. That's not the debate. The debate is whether or not he knew about what was going on and if he was part of the cover-up. All information and testimony is saying he absolutely did. Is it hard to believe? Yes. Is it disgraceful? Absolutely. Just because the man was the head of a football program doesn't mean he's immune to having his actions questioned or analyzed. Everyone has skeletons in their closets, even the "good" guys make mistakes. He's human just like all of us...and just like all of us there are consequences to poor decisions or in this case inaction.