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[Slow-V6]

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Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

really?

I am sorry but I dont view drinking as a drug.. I remember giving a toast at my buddies wedding being the best man with my wine.. To me thats not a drug.. I couldnt see myself giving a toast with a Blunt in my hand at weddings because you say Pot is a Natual substance and should be compared with alcholol..

I would love to see this topic on capital hill with all the discussions in the house and senate.. I would buy a tickets to watch..

[NastyEllEssWon]

Originally Posted by Slow-V6

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I am sorry but I dont view drinking as a drug.. I remember giving a toast at my buddies wedding being the best man with my wine.. To me thats not a drug.. I couldnt see myself giving a toast with a Blunt in my hand at weddings because you say Pot is a Natual substance and should be compared with alcholol..

thats the difference. you wouldnt hold up a blunt...a bong would make a better centerpiece/toasting device

and just because your personal opinion doesnt see alcohol as a drug doesnt mean its not. because even if you ask officer friendly. alcohol is a drug. in fact you have to do more to alcohol scientifically to make it a potent substance than you do to mary jane. you cant just walk up to a corn plant and milk it and get some moonshine can you?

[Slow-V6]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

thats the difference. you wouldnt hold up a blunt...a bong would make a better centerpiece/toasting device

and just because your personal opinion doesnt see alcohol as a drug doesnt mean its not. because even if you ask officer friendly. alcohol is a drug. in fact you have to do more to alcohol scientifically to make it a potent substance than you do to mary jane. you cant just walk up to a corn plant and milk it and get some moonshine can you?

That would work better!!


Just like your personal opinion doesnt see that Pot is an illegal Drug when it is and untill it becomes legal it will remain an illegal drug. Doesnt matter if it grows or is manufactured it is still an illegal drug..

[NastyEllEssWon]

its only illegal if you dont have a prescription card bro.

[Slow-V6]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

its only illegal if you dont have a prescription card bro.

Damn... I thought it was only illegal if you got caught?? At least thats the way it was 10 years ago!!

[NastyEllEssWon]

you fought the lol...and the lol won.

[Squirrel]

Originally Posted by Tsar

You read that in one of those "official brochures for tourists"? Have you actually been there, or spoke to someone who has a first hand experience? I'm gonna go with a "no".

There are a crap load of ODs and junkies sitting on the corner of the street with a needle in their arm. What a great sights to see! I'm not sure if you have kids but imagine you are taking a stroll in the park with one of them and there's a dude ODing right in front of you, ahhh nice - right Considering the fact that a lot of drug offenses are just a slap on the wrist over there, cops don't even bother, so you can drop the "well you can shoot up heroine legally in the park and in US everything will be 100% legal" routine.

Funny thing about statistics, you can easily manipulate them, doh. If you look at Penn State's brochure for crimes committed (robbery, sexual assault, etc) they will all read "0" (at least they have in the past). Let's just say it isn't the case..

my school can say the same thing, only because i've personally voted on some of those checks getting cut

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

how come youre allowed to grab 5 straws but i cant grab a few more than you. if you wanna reach, by all means lets reach. if you look into statistics most dont include marijuana users in their lists of ''addicts''. either way, if you wanna make the gateway argument like you did before i could say the same thing about alcohol and tobacco. ive tried them before i tried marijuana...and theyre legal

Me and frosty-poo were talking about the city of Amsterdam being the land of sunshine and puppies, as per his moms visit there. I said it wasn't the case and pointed that they have plenty of drug related problems. I did not bring MJ into the argument, but if you must MJ is an illegal drug. Even in Amsterdam.. it might be punishable by a slap on the wrist but it is still considered illegal in certain quantities. Last time I checked smoking was legal, and I can order 1000 cartons of cigs and be a-ok. I can also go to a liquor store and buy a truck load of booze, they will shake my hand and we will be a-ok. Let's not confuse the two. Furthermore, people do not go to jail for caffeine addiction, at least I have not heard of such case. Feel free to dig up a case or two.

Smoking and alcohol is a gateway drug? To some sure, to some breathing is a gateway drug, and I bet in the state of California oxygen has been known to cause cancer. Let's ban the damn thing, ehh? But as I have said before, those two are perfectly legal substances. Hell, smoking a cig and driving is not even illegal! omg!

I have personally engaged in a lot of smoking (cigs) and drinking since the age of 11, I'm not an addict to either. I rarely do either of them nowadays though. Drinking hasn't caused me to say "yes" to multiple offers of trying cocaine or heroin over the course of my life, most of those were "free samples" too. You can try the gateway theory all day long on me.

Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider

Nope, it was either switzerland or sweden.

Um..Swiss had this:

Switzerland

Much like Amsterdam, Switzerland until recently followed a policy of decriminalization. Indeed, a city park in the town of Zurich for many years was allowed to be a haven for drug users - police simply would ignore the problem by claiming that it was better to have all the addicts in one place rather than having them roam throughout the entire city.66 Unsurprisingly, in February of 1992 Switzerland ended this experiment with decriminalization after experiencing an unacceptable increase in use, violence, crime and health costs and consequences.67 Specifically, the number of addicts residing at the park (called Platzspitz) jumped from a few hundred in 1987 to over 20,000, by early 1992.68 Approximately 20% of these addicts were foreigners who came to Zurich to take advantage of the city's lax drug laws.69 In deciding to close the park, city officials cited the increased incidence of crime and prostitution--as Andres Oehler, a municipal spokesperson stated, "it was felt that the situation had got out of control in every sense."70

And Sweden has a zero tolerance policy for drugs.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by Squirrel

my school can say the same thing, only because i've personally voted on some of those checks getting cut

Yea stats are funny that way.. We saw over 1000 complaints of different "incidents" yet, none were recorded on the official brochures. There are no sexual assaults on campus, ever...

Speaking of stats and clever language.

Dr. K. F. Gunning, president of the Dutch National Committee on Drug Prevention, cites some revealing statistics about drug abuse and crime. Cannabis use among students increased 250 percent from 1984 to 1992. During the same period, shootings rose 40 percent, car thefts increased 62 percent, and hold-ups rose 69 percent.[63]

Stats are NEVER wrong, right Frosty?

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Tsar

Me and frosty-poo were talking about the city of Amsterdam being the land of sunshine and puppies, as per his moms visit there. I said it wasn't the case and pointed that they have plenty of drug related problems.

Dude, I NEVER said they didn't have a drug problem, I NEVER said it wasn't an issue, all I said is that it's LESS than here where just about everything under the sun is illegal. I never said it was perfect nor the land of sunshine or puppies...stop twisting what I said to make a point. I also never brought heroin or any of the sort, the discussion is about MJ, you're reaching and trying to bring up other things to help support whatever stand you're taking. Please read what I said again and actually absorb it instead of reading what you want to read then swinging the topic of discussion to left field.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Tsar

Stats are NEVER wrong, right Frosty?

Ughhhhh, I never said a word about stats being wrong dude, you did. See below.

Originally Posted by Tsar

Funny thing about statistics, you can easily manipulate them, doh.

Game. Set. Match. Yahtzee, Bingo, tell him what he's won Johnny. So I watch some shows/documentaries that said what I repeated and the stats or claim can easily be manipulated BUT a National Committee stat(from 20-30yrs ago I might add) can't be manipulated right?

[Tsar]

Son, you said Amsterdam has less of a DRUG problem, and DRUG related crime. MJ is included in this category (DRUG) so is heroin, cocaine, meth, etc. When I made a remark about people sitting in a park with a needle in their arm - you simply said that you saw documentaries and your mama was there and it wasn't that big of a deal, at least that's how I saw it. You even threw a little sympathy over there with the whole "lets hug a druggie" aka they help them and we throw away the key after we put those poor bastards in jail. In humor, I even offered a Russian solution.

This is what I got in response, if you recall.

Their attitude about drugs over there is completely different over there. They actually HELP people get off of the hardcore **** instead of just throwing them in jail and throwing away the key like we do here.

If they help people why is their prison population made up of of 50% of former druggies? Why are they blamed for ~80% of property crimes? Clearly, completely different attitude. Why are the mayors of towns trying to move anything that has to do with drugs to the outskirts of towns, and away from people? Another thing that indicates a "completely different attitude", right!

The tidbit about statistics, notice how I'm making fun of statistics and saying they are easily manipulated. I was supporting my position with that quote (I'll spell this out for you, stats are BS), not arguing against you. I was making fun of you with that quote though. Squirrel and I were talking about how shady campus crime reporting/statistics can be... get with the program already. Are the statistics that I posted real, most likely they are. Do they have any correlation, maybe or maybe not - no one will ever know because correlation does not imply causation as you have implied in your initial post about Amsterdam's DRUG problem (which was wrong anyways).

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Ughhhhh, I never said a word about stats being wrong dude, you did. See below.



Game. Set. Match. Yahtzee, Bingo, tell him what he's won Johnny. So I watch some shows/documentaries that said what I repeated and the stats or claim can easily be manipulated BUT a National Committee stat(from 20-30yrs ago I might add) can't be manipulated right?

I replied to this in my previous post, but are you really that slow this morning?!

[Frosty]

OK dude, you win, keep talking yourself in circles, lol. I never said it wasn't a big deal, again where did I say that? Stop with your baseless implications because you're reaching, I said LESS LESS LESS, that's IT based on some documentaries and what people I know have seen. That's it. All of you're other blah blah blah is exactly that...blah blah blah.

....and there's no reason to call someone son, it's a bit ignorant don't you think? What's next? "Boy"?

With that said you win.

[sweetbmxrider]

Originally Posted by Tsar

Me and frosty-poo were talking about the city of Amsterdam being the land of sunshine and puppies, as per his moms visit there. I said it wasn't the case and pointed that they have plenty of drug related problems. I did not bring MJ into the argument, but if you must MJ is an illegal drug. Even in Amsterdam.. it might be punishable by a slap on the wrist but it is still considered illegal in certain quantities. Last time I checked smoking was legal, and I can order 1000 cartons of cigs and be a-ok. I can also go to a liquor store and buy a truck load of booze, they will shake my hand and we will be a-ok. Let's not confuse the two. Furthermore, people do not go to jail for caffeine addiction, at least I have not heard of such case. Feel free to dig up a case or two.

Smoking and alcohol is a gateway drug? To some sure, to some breathing is a gateway drug, and I bet in the state of California oxygen has been known to cause cancer. Let's ban the damn thing, ehh? But as I have said before, those two are perfectly legal substances. Hell, smoking a cig and driving is not even illegal! omg!

I have personally engaged in a lot of smoking (cigs) and drinking since the age of 11, I'm not an addict to either. I rarely do either of them nowadays though. Drinking hasn't caused me to say "yes" to multiple offers of trying cocaine or heroin over the course of my life, most of those were "free samples" too. You can try the gateway theory all day long on me.




Um..Swiss had this:



And Sweden has a zero tolerance policy for drugs.

No, that's not it. Its similar to how cali has med shops for pot but its for heroin that is clean and medical grade. Just like anything else, its the user/abuser that gives it a good/bad name.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by Frosty

OK dude, you win, keep talking yourself in circles, lol. I never said it wasn't a big deal, again where did I say that? Stop with your baseless implications because you're reaching, I said LESS LESS LESS, that's IT based on some documentaries and what people I know have seen. That's it. All of you're other blah blah blah is exactly that...blah blah blah.

....and there's no reason to call someone son, it's a bit ignorant don't you think? What's next? "Boy"?

With that said you win.

You might make a good politician, when you can't argue against a fact, just dismiss it due to "blah blah blah".

My argument has always been pretty straight; all national drug decriminalization programs have failed since the early 1900s, and the whole slippery slope thing.

But as long as I win, I can live with that.

Cheers,

[Frosty]

...and you'd make a good one too by spinning things. Running mates? Lets doooo it!

[BigAls87Z28]

I wonder if the fast food and junk food lobby got behind the legalizing MJ deal....so much more money there. Buy a McJoint with your big mac?

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by Frosty

...and you'd make a good one too by spinning things. Running mates? Lets doooo it!

In.

[Slow-V6]

I would vote for you guys!!

[BonzoHansen]

Can I have a cabinet position?

[Savage_Messiah]

Can I be the mascot?

[Frosty]

DONE! We need a good PR guy though....Al? What do you say?

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by Frosty

DONE! We need a good PR guy though....Al? What do you say?

As long as there is a nice water cooler.

[Frosty]

I might even throw in a nice GM car as a courtesy car, with Tsar's approval of course.